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Rewind: Trump had one the Popular Vote but Lost the Electoral College
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That's why we have a system of checks and balances, where if someone wanted to bring back segregation in a given state like say in Kentucky and it won by popular vote, it would be shot down.

But your slippery-slope aside, how do you see this evil happening with removing the EC and given each citizen equal voting power in regards to electing their next president?

My slippery slope is exactly my point though. People are already in favor of taking property and legal rights from others, Antifa(and others, I'm not singling them out here) and others have already rioted over it in fact. The electoral college actually IS one of the checks and balances that we have in place, it basically keeps New York and California from deciding everything for the whole country.


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You don't even need to eliminate the EC, just make it more accurately represent the people that it's supposed to represent. If a candidate can lose the popular vote by a few million but win the EC by like 70 or whatever it was, then it stands to reason that maybe the system isn't accurately representing the people. It's counting some votes way more than others simply because of what chunk of land they live in, there's really no reason for that.

I seem to remember DDM, shortly after the election, doing the math and showing that using the current system is the only way that could really happen.

One very simple thing that could improve it without eliminating the EC is to make the electorals based on percentage. So instead of winner take all, if you win 60% of the popular in a state, you get 60% of the electorals. This would allow for a more accurate representation of the state, and the nation as a whole, without putting it all in a national popular vote system, which would probably have another set of problems to deal with.


That sounds like a fair compromise thumb up

But Trumpers will be against this, as they already know Trump's not going to win the pop vote in the majority of states in 2020. Hell, he couldn't win the pop vote against Clinton, lolz.


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My slippery slope is exactly my point though. People are already in favor of taking property and legal rights from others, Antifa(and others, I'm not singling them out here) and others have already rioted over it in fact. The electoral college actually IS one of the checks and balances that we have in place, it basically keeps New York and California from deciding everything for the whole country.


FFS, more "antifa". They've been labeled a terrorist group now, so you people need to stop with the fear-mongering.

I fail to see how that is the fault of Californians or New Yorkers? You're pushing certain citizens because they happen to live in states more people want to live in.


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If it was supposed to "accurately represent the people" then it wouldn't be needed as they could just use the popular vote.

Do schools no longer teach civics?


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If it was supposed to "accurately represent the people" then it wouldn't be needed as they could just use the popular vote.

Do schools no longer teach civics?


Not really.

It would still be a safeguard as you could divvy up a number of electoral votes a state gets overall, and keep certain states like California from having too much influence.


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FFS, more "antifa". They've been labeled a terrorist group now, so you people need to stop with the fear-mongering.

I fail to see how that is the fault of Californians or New Yorkers? You're pushing certain citizens because they happen to live in states more people want to live in.

I'm not fear mongering, I'm pointing out something that happened that got a lot of support from the media and populous because it demonstrates that we are in fact in danger of such a thing happening.

Those people who prefer to live in those bubbles are blind to the troubles of those who live outside them. Sure after the election democrats were all "we must have ignored how serious the issues were" but actually losing the election that way is what it took to bring about that mindset.


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Actually I don't and they were probably ****ing with you, would be my guess



Then you noticed incorrectly.



I hardly posted in the thread. So no

I didn't. You said I was doing the slippery slope to me yesterday and today to someone else.

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That sounds like a fair compromise thumb up

But Trumpers will be against this, as they already know Trump's not going to win the pop vote in the majority of states in 2020. Hell, he couldn't win the pop vote against Clinton, lolz.


Because of of the Snowflakes in CA, NY and Illinois

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Not really.

It would still be a safeguard as you could divvy up a number of electoral votes a state gets overall, and keep certain states like California from having too much influence.


You appeared to be complaining that the EC doesn't more closely represent the popular vote. well, it's not supposed to.

If I'm misunderstanding your point. my apologies.


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I'm not fear mongering, I'm pointing out something that happened that got a lot of support from the media and populous because it demonstrates that we are in fact in danger of such a thing happening.

Those people who prefer to live in those bubbles are blind to the troubles of those who live outside them. Sure after the election democrats were all "we must have ignored how serious the issues were" but actually losing the election that way is what it took to bring about that mindset.


Disagreed.

FFS, this talking point is do redic, thereís a winner and loser in every election and itís not like the Democrats win every time, or even a sweeping majority. Trump won, shit happens.


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Disagreed.

FFS, this talking point is do redic, thereís a winner and loser in every election and itís not like the Democrats win every time, or even a sweeping majority. Trump won, shit happens.

Well of course an antifa member is going to disagree lol

It's not rediculous, this is something that's been acknowledged by democrats. Hell Bill Maher and other liberals have talked about just how blind democrats and those in large cities were to the rest of the country multiple times. I'm not just pulling it out of my ass.


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Well of course an antifa member is going to disagree lol

It's not rediculous, this is something that's been acknowledged by democrats. Hell Bill Maher and other liberals have talked about just how blind democrats and those in large cities were to the rest of the country multiple times. I'm not just pulling it out of my ass.


Weird.

Because Democrats win almost every election? Nope. In fact, I think Republicans hold the majority in the Presidency, if only by a small margin.


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Weird.

Because Democrats win almost every election? Nope. In fact, I think Republicans hold the majority in the Presidency, if only by a small margin.

No it'd be more weird if you didn't.

Again I'm not the only one saying this, political commentators across the spectrum have noted it.


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You appeared to be complaining that the EC doesn't more closely represent the popular vote. well, it's not supposed to.

If I'm misunderstanding your point. my apologies.


My point is it can more closely represent the will of the people while still acting as an adequate safeguard against the tyranny of the majority or mob rule.


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My point is it can more closely represent the will of the people while still acting as an adequate safeguard against the tyranny of the majority or mob rule.


What do you mean by will of the people?


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Who the overall population votes for.


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Who the overall population votes for.


So, the popular vote.


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The fact that your candidates are grown inside a two party system shoots down the idea of any true mob rule ever happening in the US.


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