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Bronn of the Blackwater vs. Sandor Clegane the Hound
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Bronn did defeat the Vale knight. But he got his ass handed to him by that Dothraki Bloodrider and had to haul ass out of there.


That wasn't just a straight up fight. Bronn was tossed off his horse after that Bloodrider crippled it. Then after being tossed and likely having the breath knocked out of him Bronn was at a severe disadvantage being on foot. Running away until you could even the odds was the right call and Sandor would have likely done the same in that situation.


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That wasn't just a straight up fight. Bronn was tossed off his horse after that Bloodrider crippled it. Then after being tossed and likely having the breath knocked out of him Bronn was at a severe disadvantage being on foot. Running away until you could even the odds was the right call and Sandor would have likely done the same in that situation.


It was a straight up fight in the sense that they both started off on horses, with both armed with 1 sword each, and no other person or environmental factors interfering with the "match" as it began. In other words, they started off on equal footing.

Bronn being unhorsed was due to the Dothraki outfighting him in the initial charge. Him running away and using the environment to even the odds is basically him admitting he couldn't win a straight up fight.


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Didn't Bronn even toss his knife? And the Dothraki dodged it?

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Why do you think Hound is some idiot?


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The Hound is no less intelligent, he just doesn't need to rely on his wits so much because he can overpower anyone in GoT not named The Mountain.


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Yeah, if anything, Sandor consistently shows more common sense, intelligence and situational awareness than most GoT characters do. Granted, he does have the odd dunce moment (like throwing rocks at a zombie soldier), but those moments tend to be relatively rare.


Being intelligent and being cunning are two different things.

I support Bronn because he is faster, more agile, and Cunning.

He will certainly find the Hound's weakpoints.

The Hound is strong and a good swordman, but his temperament makes him predictable.

Bronn is the thype of man which will tease Sandor enough to meake him angry. Once he is angry he is predictable. Once he is predictable, Bronn has the edge due to his cunning.


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Being intelligent and being cunning are two different things.

I support Bronn because he is faster, more agile, and Cunning.

He will certainly find the Hound's weakpoints.

The Hound is strong and a good swordman, but his temperament makes him predictable.

Bronn is the thype of man which will tease Sandor enough to meake him angry. Once he is angry he is predictable. Once he is predictable, Bronn has the edge due to his cunning.


What weakpoints does Sandor have? He's bigger, stronger, tougher, more skilled, and faster(somehow) than 90% of the characters on the show. The only times he's had trouble in fights have been when Fire's involved, Wights, or when he fought Brienne and was literally already dying of a severe infection.

You can't make Hound angry. He's always angry. You can just piss him off more. And if Bronn pisses him off, he just dies faster.

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Being intelligent and being cunning are two different things.

I support Bronn because he is faster, more agile, and Cunning.

He will certainly find the Hound's weakpoints.

The Hound is strong and a good swordman, but his temperament makes him predictable.

Bronn is the thype of man which will tease Sandor enough to meake him angry. Once he is angry he is predictable. Once he is predictable, Bronn has the edge due to his cunning.


The Hound has literally no weaknesses compared to Bronn. He's bigger, stronger, at least as fast, at least as intelligent, and he has much better combat feats. Every reason Bronn had to turn down fighting the Mountain applies to Sandor as well, except the Hound is faster and more skilled than his brother to boot.

The Hound is always angry, so I fail to see what Bronn's going to do there. If he makes him even angrier he'll just make Sandor that much more ferocious, and Bronn definitely doesn't want to do that to a guy who's his superior in every physical category.

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What weakpoints does Sandor have? He's bigger, stronger, tougher, more skilled, and faster(somehow) than 90% of the characters on the show. The only times he's had trouble in fights have been when Fire's involved, Wights, or when he fought Brienne and was literally already dying of a severe infection.

You can't make Hound angry. He's always angry. You can just piss him off more. And if Bronn pisses him off, he just dies faster.


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The Hound has literally no weaknesses compared to Bronn. He's bigger, stronger, at least as fast, at least as intelligent, and he has much better combat feats. Every reason Bronn had to turn down fighting the Mountain applies to Sandor as well, except the Hound is faster and more skilled than his brother to boot.

The Hound is always angry, so I fail to see what Bronn's going to do there. If he makes him even angrier he'll just make Sandor that much more ferocious, and Bronn definitely doesn't want to do that to a guy who's his superior in every physical category.


He is not faster than Bronn.

I believe Bronn's Indiana Jones' type of fight makes him win.

He is foxy. The hound is stronger and better skillled. But he is predictable.

https://youtu.be/DLUI6GxwNxk

The Hound is the type of fighter which will engage on, and use his skill and strenght to dominate.

He is good, but still predictable (maybe because of his anger)

https://youtu.be/NN30YMzja6Y

Bronn is the type of fighter which will read his opponent and attack his weak spots.

Bronn is like the Indiana Jones of GoT. He is cunning, he uses his environment well. He is agile.

I support Bronn. He is simply a mother****ing genus. Also, if he manages to get fire, he could put Sandor in trouble. Sandor has a trauma for fire.


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It was a straight up fight in the sense that they both started off on horses, with both armed with 1 sword each, and no other person or environmental factors interfering with the "match" as it began. In other words, they started off on equal footing.

Bronn being unhorsed was due to the Dothraki outfighting him in the initial charge. Him running away and using the environment to even the odds is basically him admitting he couldn't win a straight up fight.


I'm sorry I guess I wasn't clear in my point. I know they started off on horse back but that is nowhere near equal footing. The Dothraki are trained to fight on horseback since childhood. Bronn being a lowly sellsword most of his life would have had very little training on horseback and was therefore overcome as Sandor would have been as well.

Then fighting on foot against a mounted opponent isn't very smart either and he looked to even the odds as I believe Sandor would have too. Either way I don't think using this example works when pitting Sandor vs Bronn. And while Sanor has faced more fleshed out opponents, Broon seems to have less trouble with mooks. Sandor was hurt again and again in random fights while I don't seem to recall Bronn ever in any real trouble besides against the Bloodrider and that is explained by the lack of experience fighting on horseback

I think this is a good fight that could honestly go either way. Bronn is faster and more cunning while Sandor is stronger and is durable as shit


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He is not faster than Bronn.

I believe Bronn's Indiana Jones' type of fight makes him win.

He is foxy. The hound is stronger and better skillled. But he is predictable.

https://youtu.be/DLUI6GxwNxk

The Hound is the type of fighter which will engage on, and use his skill and strenght to dominate.

He is good, but still predictable (maybe because of his anger)

https://youtu.be/NN30YMzja6Y

Bronn is the type of fighter which will read his opponent and attack his weak spots.

Bronn is like the Indiana Jones of GoT. He is cunning, he uses his environment well. He is agile.

I support Bronn. He is simply a mother****ing genus. Also, if he manages to get fire, he could put Sandor in trouble. Sandor has a trauma for fire.


Bronn definitely doesn't have better speed feats than the Hound.

Yes, he will dominate via superior physical stats. Thanks for agreeing. A weakened Sandor just barely losing to Brienne doesn't prove anything.

Knowing the Hound is going to attack doesn't mean you can stop him. The Hound has no weak spots, he outclasses Bronn in every stat.

Bronn has had difficulty with opponents that Sandor would straight up crush. Bronn was afraid of the Mountain, the Hound stalemated him.

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Bronn definitely doesn't have better speed feats than the Hound.

Yes, he will dominate via superior physical stats. Thanks for agreeing. A weakened Sandor just barely losing to Brienne doesn't prove anything.

Knowing the Hound is going to attack doesn't mean you can stop him. The Hound has no weak spots, he outclasses Bronn in every stat.

Bronn has had difficulty with opponents that Sandor would straight up crush. Bronn was afraid of the Mountain, the Hound stalemated him.


Maybe not with the sword, but in speed and in dodging he is faster.

I think Broon could outbrain the Hound. Thats what i think.


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Maybe not with the sword, but in speed and in dodging he is faster.

I think Broon could outbrain the Hound. Thats what i think.


Really? Because Sandor has gone through fights unscathed while fighting multiple opponents, and he has done this more than once. The Hound is no sitting duck.

How? Give me a plausible scenario.

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The Hound wins handily.


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Really? Because Sandor has gone through fights unscathed while fighting multiple opponents, and he has done this more than once. The Hound is no sitting duck.

How? Give me a plausible scenario.


Bronn has arguably not lost any battle neither. He also has been in several battles and is still alive. Which is impressive. (He served for Tyrion in his wars, and now serves Jaime).

The way he fought the Knight of the Vale. It's obvious Bronn isn't stupid. He uses his environment. He investigates his opponent. He is cold headed. Bronn is a smart dude.

I like Hound, but the Hound is to explosive and violent. He isn't really that smart of a guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTLYV4aMX4M

Here you have a mega copilation of all Bronn's scenes in GoT. Go through the video, you can see how cunning he is. He isn't the traditional fighter. And he isn't a bad swordman.


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Bronn has arguably not lost any battle neither. He also has been in several battles and is still alive. Which is impressive. (He served for Tyrion in his wars, and now serves Jaime).

The way he fought the Knight of the Vale. It's obvious Bronn isn't stupid. He uses his environment. He investigates his opponent. He is cold headed. Bronn is a smart dude.

I like Hound, but the Hound is to explosive and violent. He isn't really that smart of a guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTLYV4aMX4M

Here you have a mega copilation of all Bronn's scenes in GoT. Go through the video, you can see how cunning he is. He isn't the traditional fighter. And he isn't a bad swordman.


But we don't know who the knight of the vale was. For all we know he could have been a pretty crappy fighter.


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Bronn has arguably not lost any battle neither. He also has been in several battles and is still alive. Which is impressive. (He served for Tyrion in his wars, and now serves Jaime).

The way he fought the Knight of the Vale. It's obvious Bronn isn't stupid. He uses his environment. He investigates his opponent. He is cold headed. Bronn is a smart dude.

I like Hound, but the Hound is to explosive and violent. He isn't really that smart of a guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTLYV4aMX4M

Here you have a mega copilation of all Bronn's scenes in GoT. Go through the video, you can see how cunning he is. He isn't the traditional fighter. And he isn't a bad swordman.


Yeah, and none of his combat feats are on Sandor's level.

The knight was just some guy the Hound would have raped in under a minute. It's not a good feat.

Mike Tyson was explosive and violent, yet that made him a monster in the ring.

I still haven't heard of a viable battle plan.

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But we don't know who the knight of the vale was. For all we know he could have been a pretty crappy fighter.


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Yeah, and none of his combat feats are on Sandor's level.

The knight was just some guy the Hound would have raped in under a minute. It's not a good feat.

Mike Tyson was explosive and violent, yet that made him a monster in the ring.

I still haven't heard of a viable battle plan.


Doesn't matter. It's clear ENOUGH that Bronn isn't the TYPICAL swordman.

He is cunning, which is the point i wanted to prove.

Sandor has strenght and skill. But Bronn got brains.

And as History has taught us: Brains>>>>>Muscle.


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But we don't know who the knight of the vale was. For all we know he could have been a pretty crappy fighter.


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Doesn't matter. It's clear ENOUGH that Bronn isn't the TYPICAL swordman.

He is cunning, which is the point i wanted to prove.

Sandor has strenght and skill. But Bronn got brains.

And as History has taught us: Brains>>>>>Muscle.


It takes more than brains to win a one on one fight.

If all it took was a better brain, then:

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I am hoping your not trying to claim this.


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Doesn't matter. It's clear ENOUGH that Bronn isn't the TYPICAL swordman.

He is cunning, which is the point i wanted to prove.

Sandor has strenght and skill. But Bronn got brains.

And as History has taught us: Brains>>>>>Muscle.


He is a very TYPICAL swordsman. He just happensto fight dirty, which catches honor bound types off guard. Sandor is not on of those honor bound types. He spits on their honor.

So is the Hound.

Wrong, Sandor is the whole package. Bronn is like the Hound, but smaller and weaker.

No. If that was true nerds wouldn't be bullied by football players. There's nothing his brains could do in an empty arena going 1v1 with a physically superior and more skilled opponent.

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I wasn't aware being explosive and violent was a weakness in a fight.

There is also pretty much nothing indicating that Bronn is faster than Sandor. It is just being assumed that he is because he's smaller, and because Bronn claimed as such in season two.

So Bronn is against a much more heavily armoured opponent who has comparable speed, more skill, and is considerably stronger, strong enough to literally bisect a man with his sword.

Bronn won't have time to come up with an alternative plan of attack. He'll just be quickly overwhelmed and killed.


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