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Battle of the Bishes: Vaylin vs. Zannah
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Azronger
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Vaylin's psyche is extremely fragile, no matter how much more powerful than Zannah she is, if any, and Zannah has pushed even people lacking any unresolved inner demons near the breaking point with her mental sorceries.

I'd wager the Sith Lady wins here.


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NewGuy01
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i think ur sheevism cult plagiarized the dark brotherhood br0

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Vaylin's psyche is extremely fragile, no matter how much more powerful than Zannah she is, if any, and Zannah has pushed even people lacking any unresolved inner demons near the breaking point with her mental sorceries.

I'd wager the Sith Lady wins here.


And what evidence do you have that her psyche is fragile? If anything, the opposite it true, as Temp brought up.

Vaylin wins ten times out of ten.


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The_Tempest
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And what evidence do you have that her psyche is fragile? If anything, the opposite it true, as Temp brought up.


Eh, while I definitely think an argument can be made that Vaylin can power through Zannah's bullshit, I also acknowledge the viewpoint that she'd suffer in the process. She's not exactly the poster girl for mental health.

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Vaylin wins ten times out of ten.


reasons pl0x

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Only that he's the class shown in all the promotional material. Again, though, it's pretty clear cut from a story perspective; in his visions, Scourge saw the Knight kill Vitiate, take his crown, and wield his power. The Outlander wielded Vitiate's power, the Outlander killed Vitiate, and the Outlander now rules his kingdom. How could it possibly be any of the other classes? If it were, the Knight wouldn't have accomplished a single one of the three things that we were told he would.


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Visions have been known to be wrong before. smile


Not trolling you, Sas, just playing the Devil's advocate here. It certainly would make more sense to have the Outlander be the Jedi Knight, but then SWTOR does have a habit of relentlessly torturing one's suspension of disbelief.

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Azronger
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[B]And what evidence do you have that her psyche is fragile?


Childhood trauma that scarred her for life and made her a psycho sound like fairly unpleasant memories. Her persistent temper tantrums also indicate a wavering emotional state. Zannah has plenty to work with here.

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If anything, the opposite it true, as Temp brought up.


Force Suppression =/= Telepathic influence. Valkorion required elaborate rituals and psychological conditioning to chain her innate raw power, but had a fairly easy time turning his daughter into an obedient puppet with Telepathic domination.

Zannah's Spells are also telepathic in nature. Cognus was the Force Suppression gal.

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Vaylin wins ten times out of ten.


Why?


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Rockydonovang
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Vaylin is more powerful and her stalemating of arcann leaves her an impressive enough duelist.

Dem spells tho.

that being said there's a very real chance using spells to break down her sanity backfires on Zannah. An unhinged Vaylin, is a dangerous Vaylin.

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godemperortrump
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Vaylin one-shots

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AncientPower
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Vaylin's so far above her grade that this might be spite.


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Azronger
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Why be that?


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AncientPower
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Because her willpower was strong enough to overwhelm BRAIN whilst in the very same place she was broken in. More importantly, despite all of Valk's best attempts, she still broke free from his mind domination.

Only Revan, who is possibly the most headstrong character in the mythos, has replicated such a feat against Valk's focused and continuous telepathic assaults.


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godemperortrump
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Argh. Revan is trash AP, Silver debunked him long ago

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AncientPower
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Him holding off Vitiate and the Dread Masters for three centuries can't be debunked, if it's a fact.


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S_W_LeGenD
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Vaylin solidly.

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The only spell that troubled Vaylin was "kneel before the dragon of Zakuul." I do not recall any other vulnerability.

Another observation is that Vaylin coped with the extremely torturous environment of Nathema very well, tackling any kind of opposition on it. Her conditioning did not hamper her in any way on Nathema.

In contrast, Valkorion shielded the minds of the Outlander and Lana Beniko while they traversed Nathema. Even with such aid, Lana remarked how torturous Nathema is much like Jedi Exile centuries earlier.

So I am not sure from where the notion has surfaced that Vaylin is mentally vulnerable. Not in the slightest.


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Azronger
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Because her willpower was strong enough to overwhelm BRAIN whilst in the very same place she was broken in.


What's BRAIN got going for it and why is overwhelming it relevant when up against Zannah's mindfuckery? To me it looked like Vaylin did it via an energy blast and not anything willpower-related.

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More importantly, despite all of Valk's best attempts, she still broke free from his mind domination.


Only via holocron ex machina.


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Because the BRAIN is literally the Void concentrated as a form of mental assault, designed to aid in breaking the minds of its victims.

Vaylin's power is literally being torn apart, she willed herself free because she refused to die to the very thing that had chained her.

That was domination over her spirit, not what I'm referring to.


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Azronger
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[B]Because the BRAIN is literally the Void concentrated as a form of mental assault, designed to aid in breaking the minds of its victims.


Where is this stated or implied?

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Vaylin's power is literally being torn apart, she willed herself free because she refused to die to the very thing that had chained her.


No, she fired an energy blast.

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That was domination over her spirit, not what I'm referring to.


Her dad was also a spirit. The playing field was even.

But what's this other time she broke free that you're referring to?


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AncientPower
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I'd have to go and literally play the level to retrieve the audio from the head scientist, but he talks about the experiments as you traverse through the level in-game.

No she didn't, she breaks out by breaking her mental chains. Hence 'Unchained' Vaylin. That was literally the entire reason she went there.

He dominated her spirit because he drained her essence upon death.

Anyway. Valkorion couldn't outright dominate Vaylin's mind, as he did with many others, he was forced to resort to years of torture and mental conditioning on Nathema to control her.


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Azronger
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I'd have to go and literally play the level to retrieve the audio from the head scientist, but he talks about the experiments as you traverse through the level in-game.


The entire chapter is less than 30 minutes long on YouTube.

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No she didn't, she breaks out by breaking her mental chains. Hence 'Unchained' Vaylin. That was literally the entire reason she went there.


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Energy blast.

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He dominated her spirit because he drained her essence upon death.


Force Drain =/= Telepathic influence.

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Anyway. Valkorion couldn't outright dominate Vaylin's mind, as he did with many others, he was forced to resort to years of torture and mental conditioning on Nathema to control her.


Force Suppression =/= Telepathic influence.

And you didn't answer my question.


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that being said there's a very real chance using spells to break down her sanity backfires on Zannah. An unhinged Vaylin, is a dangerous Vaylin.

Something to consider

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