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Dark Phoenix and Apocalypse vs Ego...
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Originally posted by Silent Master
Speculation isn't proof.


It isnt speculation; Mantis shut Ego down...thats a fact.


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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
It its speculation; Mantis shut Ego down...thats a fact.


I agree, your arguments are based on speculation.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Its not a no limits fallacy if the movie directly states she can do anything she can think of AND she is literally able to do everything she thought up during the course of the movie...

A. Jean doesnt have to be an empath as she can do anything she can think up via the Phoenix Force...

B. You overrate Ego. Freaking Mantis shut him down...

C. Jean doesnt need it as she is far more powerful than Mantis...


It is the very definition of a no limits fallacy. Assuming she can do something she never has onscreen, because, in your opinion, she can do "anything" is literally a prime example.

No, I don't overrate him at all. Mantis taking him out is a testament to her level of power. Just because she doesn't have a lot of feats does not make her weak, considering at no other point in the film did she fail in the use of her powers.

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I dont even think the tactic of shutting down Ego is needed by the team; Rockets bomb destroyed Ego's brain...

The question becomes wether or not you believe that the team has enough firepower to defeat Ego's Avatar and destroy Ego's brain...


So, they know to target the brain now as well? Even though it's not common knowledge, and the Guardians only knew to target it, and where to go to target it, because Mantis told them?

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As petains to the fight location, arent you one of the posters thats always accusing me of creating spite threads?

Well, I go and create a thread where both sides have the opportunity to win, and now you give me flak for NOT creating a spite thread...

LoL...


Yes, I call you out, because it flip flops from thread to thread, depending on how it suits you. When it's RF against the Guardians, it's in Central City. Here, they are right by Ego's brain. But Spiderman vs a Sentinel, even though a big part of his effectiveness revolves around his webswinging, wall climbing etc.? Featureless plane lol. And those are just a few examples out of many.


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I agree, your arguments are based on speculation.


I agree that your argument in this thread is based on idiocy...


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Ego wins.


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posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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@Vault

It is not my opinion that Jean can do anything she can think of; the movie directly states it and it is backed up in the movie by her literally doing everything she thought up...


And you do overrate Ego, unless you really think Mantis has greater than Celestial level powers (afterall she shut him down...lol).

As pertains her other uses of her power, she affected Drax and Starlord...big wow.


As for the team targeting the brain, obviously they'd have to fight the Avatar 1st...

Assumming they defeat the Avatar, it would make sense to attack the throbbing, giant, brain next...wouldnt it?


As for the fight location, I placed the fight in a place where both sides have an opportunity to win...

The fight locations in other threads I have made dont matter as pertains to this thread...


Who do you think wins btw Vault?


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Aaaaand I see this thread has degenerated into...

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Carry on you crazy honkers.


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Who do you think wins Darkstorm?


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Ego stomps. No way for team to win.


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Ego stomps. No way for team to win.


Based on what?

Lets look at the Avatars durability; it was being blasted down by Starlords guns...

Do you really think this team cant replicate (and go far beyond) that feat?


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Who do you think wins Darkstorm?


I'd say the clowns win. wink

As to the vs..... I would side with the mutant duo, if only because one can distract Ego while the other simply demolecularises the brain, along with everything else in the chamber. Given what Jean did while she was flaying Logan repeatedly, I don't think Ego would like that maelstrom going on inside his brain case, and I imagine Apoc's telepathy, while unhindered would be at least as effective as that of Mantis, considering she is relatively new and naive to her empathic power.

Then again, this is only based on the supposition that mantis really isn't just that insanely innately powerful. Despite her naivete, there isn't really any way to say she isn't based on what we did see... We only have intuition to work on there.


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@Darkstorm

Honestly, them shutting Ego down is a non-issue as they wouldnt try that tactic anyway (putting Ego to sleep isnt common knowledge)...

They'd attempt to defeat the Avatar 1st and the Brain 2nd...


Edit: although it might occur to one (or even both) of them to attempt to mind [email protected] the giant brain...


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@Darkstorm

Honestly, them shutting Ego down is a non-issue as they wouldnt try that tactic anyway (putting Ego to sleep isnt common knowledge)...

They'd attempt to defeat the Avatar 1st and the Brain 2nd...


Edit: although it might occur to one (or even both) of them to attempt to mind [email protected] the giant brain...


Then why are they in the brain chamber? And why is the avatar standing between them?

These arguments and stips confuse me, hence my earlier pic referencing it being a clown orgy.

You need some serious clarification up in dis here thread bro.


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Based on what?

Lets look at the Avatars durability; it was being blasted down by Starlords guns...

Do you really think this team cant replicate (and go far beyond) that feat?


You realize that the Avatar can get 1000 times killed, yet it doesn't mean Ego dies?

How could the team killed Ego? Ego is at a Celestial level, far above Phoenix and Apocalypse.

Starlord was able to defeat Ego because there was a connection between them, otherwise Starlord dies.


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@Darkstorm

Honestly, them shutting Ego down is a non-issue as they wouldnt try that tactic anyway (putting Ego to sleep isnt common knowledge)...

They'd attempt to defeat the Avatar 1st and the Brain 2nd...


Edit: although it might occur to one (or even both) of them to attempt to mind [email protected] the giant brain...


No. Putting him to sleep won't kill him. And Ego will eventually wake up and kill them.

Not even mantis could shut down ego permanently. Ego will wake up.


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Ego wins. Poor mutants.


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Then why are they in the brain chamber? And why is the avatar standing between them?

These arguments and stips confuse me, hence my earlier pic referencing it being a clown orgy.

You need some serious clarification up in dis here thread bro.


The parameters of this thread seem pretty clear to me...

Fight takes place inside of Ego near his Brain...

Ego's Avatar stands between in the mutants and his Brain and will do battle with the mutants as a result...

Whats not clear about this?


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You realize that the Avatar can get 1000 times killed, yet it doesn't mean Ego dies?

How could the team killed Ego? Ego is at a Celestial level, far above Phoenix and Apocalypse.

Starlord was able to defeat Ego because there was a connection between them, otherwise Starlord dies.


They'd only have to destroy the Avatar once to clear the way to the Brain and the Avatar doesnt instantly come back (Ego must build another one)...


How do they destroy Ego's Brain?

With brute force power; remember, Rockets bomb destroyed Ego's brain, so I dont undertstand why you think destroying Ego's Brain is beyond these two...


Also, Starlord never defeated Ego; he simply kept him busy while Groot got the bomb close to Ego's Brain...


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No. Putting him to sleep won't kill him. And Ego will eventually wake up and kill them.

Not even mantis could shut down ego permanently. Ego will wake up.


Who said putting Ego to sleep would kill him!??

Where the hell are you getting that from?


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They'd only have to destroy the Avatar once to clear the way to the Brain and the Avatar doesnt instantly come back (Ego must build another one)...


How do they destroy Ego's Brain?

With brute force power; remember, Rockets bomb destroyed Ego's brain, so I dont undertstand why you think destroying Ego's Brain is beyond these two...


Also, Starlord never defeated Ego; he simply kept him busy while Groot got the bomb close to Ego's Brain...


No. Although the Avatar is dead the planet still has his defenses. They won't get to the brain.

Starlord was able to hold Ego because he had the same powers of him (He could control the planet and use it against him). Phoenix and Apocalypse can't control a planet. They get killed.

That was a nuclear bomb, or maybe even more powerful. I don't see Phoenix nor Apo replicating such an explosion.

You say it like if sleeping Ego is the solution. Which isn't.

Ego is above both Apo and Phoenix, they don't have enough power to defeat him.


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