Off course Grievous's good showings are the ones littered with circumstances when it's the supposed bad showings which are actually circumstantial.
Ventress: Nexus. On even ground Grevious performances constant outdueling of TCW Kenobi shows his superiority,
Fisto: Grievous wasn't properly repaired and Fisto used an environmental edge. Before, Fisto and his Padawan needed all they had to hold Grievous off and then Fisto wouldn't even contemplating taking Grievous on with his padawan's help.
The nexus isn't factored per author intent, which was that Grievous at this point can't even beat Ventress. Grievous doesn't repeatedly outduel Obi-Wan at all:
1. Their encounter in S1 Ep04 was basically Obi-Wan clashing with Grievous, then running away and Grievous knocking him down when he catches up. Not at all indicative of a regular fight.
2. Their encounter in S2 Ep09 starts with Obi-Wan being cornered. Unfair from the start.
3. Their encounter in S3 Ep02 features Grievous overpowering Kenobi solely through pulling out another arm while Obi-Wan was engaged in a bladelock.
Regarding Kit, I thought Grievous was fully repaired (the parts were certainly replaced), it was just that his medical droid recommended "rest". Probably a minor difference. As for Kit "using the environment", that was effectively inconsequential. All he does is leap over Grievous' head, then some time later he ignites his saber. Grievous intercepts the attack and they bladelock (ie. it becomes moot), then Kit pushes the General back and severs one of his hands, and they trade blows before Kit ends the fight with a Force Push and Grievous' bodyguards come in.
Kit and Nahdar needed all they had to hold off Grievous? They start by engaging Grievous, who bladelocks them and then draws two more sabers and forces them to retreat. The rest of the fight is a jumble of cables, jumping around and throwing clones around, so that's not valid.
In fact, Nahdar by himself doing fine against Grievous until the latter engaged him in a bladelock and drew a blaster to shoot him while he was defenceless. Admittedly, I forgot about Grievous separating his arms for additional attacks while bladelocking, but I'm still not convinced about him taking a majority. Again, that might change in S7.
You want us to ignore context we know is present because it isn't explicitly stated?
So we're clear, nexuses, are a thing in canon. A nexus amplified Talzin to matching Sidious, was hindering Kenobi against Ventress in Dark Disciple, and was authoritatively implied to exist by Henry Gilroy.
I was referring to their season 5, and yes, season 7 bout. though since you like authorial intent so much, what do you suppose the intent here was?
And so I don't have to explain this again, Feloni's statement putting Grievous below council masters was specifically referring to them being able to beat him via telekinesis, not saber ability.
I think that Vebb was fully occupied by Grevious using only two blades should tell you that he was fcked.
And yea, Grievous could have also drawn a light saber if he so chose. Again, this is nonsense.
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No, I want us to ignore "context" because it's explicitly stated that Grievous can't beat Ventress without it anyway.
Just watched it. It's literally another saberlock + disengage extra hands and strike. If he manages that against Drallig, he probably would win. Otherwise, though, he goes down.
I'm not sure what this is in response to. I never mentioned it anywhere. Since you're bringing it up, though, could I see the quote?
I was referring to the TCW episode itself, but this is much the same thing. The passage you quoted is fair but ultimately inconsequential. Kit later comes out of the fog and proceeds to both disarm and drive back Grievous in plain view. Complete cherry-picking here.
That might be the case if Kit didn't end up disarming Grievous and driving him back later in plain view, by himself. Cherry-picking a segment of a fight that lasted a few seconds and came right after Grievous pulled out extra sabers just as the Jedi tried to attack doesn't help your case.
Sure, but as I said, that's assuming he can get into a bladelock and doesn't draw all of his sabers at once.
Wait, when was it stated Grevious can't beat Ventress?
Also, I love how you're accusing me of cherry picking when you're picking the fight where Grievous had smoke coming out of his armor and Fisto utilized the environment to gain an advantage.
And what is this nonsense about Grievous using his extra arms and legs being circumstantial? It's perfectly fair game for Grevious to utilize all the tools he has at his disposal here. And yea, if it works against Kenobi, it'll work fine against Cin Drallig.
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Filoni be like "gRieVos dOEsN't HAvE tHe fORcE" then goes on and writes Dooku being captured by pirates, Kenobi being knocked out by a slaver, Anakin trading blows with a senator, Maul being humiliated by a dog, Cad tanking the combined mental assault of 3 of the 4 most powerful Jedi of the time, Vizla fighting equally with 2 of the best swordsman in the history of 2 Orders...