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Raisen
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how could someone of your advanced years survive all that drug abuse? i'm becoming more and more convinced that you're actually keith richards.


laughing out loud

ok. you scored on this one


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A few months before the arrest? That seems like a long time to me.


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There were a few off duty cops on his floor. And he was investigated before.

Starting to look like they were closing in and miscalculated, and are covering it up.


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Interesting:

Metro lawyers: There are additional suspects in 1 October

"Inside a district courtroom on Jan. 16, a lawyer for multiple media outlets argued why information pertaining to 1 October is crucial to helping Las Vegas heal, but the lawyer for Metro Police said they can't release any information because there are still suspects being investigated.

"Without naming names, there are potential charges against other people, because of the ongoing investigation?", District Court Judge Elissa Cadish asked Metro's Lawyer Nick Crosby.

"Yes there are charges being investigated," Crosby replied. That was the biggest piece of new information revealed Tuesday. Lawyers for Metro police squared off with lawyers representing multiple media outlets over the unsealing of search warrants and evidence seized."


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Mandalay Bay's owner MGM has sued the Las Vegas mass shooting victims, claiming it's not liable for the massacre

Mandalay Bay hotel and casino's corporate owner MGM has filed a lawsuit against the victims of last year's mass shooting in Las Vegas, claiming it has no liability for the massacre that killed 58 people.

MGM Resorts International filed complaints in California and Nevada on Friday arguing that it cannot be held legally responsible for the October 1 deaths, injuries, or other damages.

The company said that any claims against MGM parties "must be dismissed."

MGM cited a 2002 federal act that provides protection from liability to companies that use "anti-terrorism" technology that can "help prevent and respond to mass violence," according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
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Okay I can see defending your company from a lawsuit and saying it's not your fault that some ******* shot a bunch of people... but what the actual ****?


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Mandalay Bay's owner MGM has sued the Las Vegas mass shooting victims, claiming it's not liable for the massacre

Mandalay Bay hotel and casino's corporate owner MGM has filed a lawsuit against the victims of last year's mass shooting in Las Vegas, claiming it has no liability for the massacre that killed 58 people.

MGM Resorts International filed complaints in California and Nevada on Friday arguing that it cannot be held legally responsible for the October 1 deaths, injuries, or other damages.

The company said that any claims against MGM parties "must be dismissed."

MGM cited a 2002 federal act that provides protection from liability to companies that use "anti-terrorism" technology that can "help prevent and respond to mass violence," according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
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Okay I can see defending your company from a lawsuit and saying it's not your fault that some ******* shot a bunch of people... but what the actual ****?



I could be wrong but this is a counter-sue to the class-action from the victims and victims' families. And the intended result is that suit is dismissed. I don't think they are actually trying to sue the victims and victims' families to get money from them.

It's also possible I'm wrong and in their counter-suit, they are trying to reclaim damages due to operational losses associated with their public outcry and actions against MGM's brand. If they can demonstrate in court that this is what happened, then they very well could be entitled to recouping damages.


I agree with MGM that they cannot be held liable for someone decided to commit a mass shooting. That opens the door for super super stupid lawsuits where I can get sued because a shooter was running through my neighborhood and someone was shot and killed by the shooter while on my lawn while he or she ran through firing. WTF, man. I don't want to be responsible for that. How is that even close to being my fault? It would be different if I had a turret with a loaded gun in my front lawn. Even if I put up a ton of warning signs and even a tiny barbwire fence around it, it still is not a reasonable case of innocence on my part. I would be somewhat culpable for the death of that innocent.


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It is, they're suing to both "judge shop" and to have the the cases dismissed before they can go to arbitration and possibly trial.

Really depends, while I don't think MGM should be held accountable for what one of their guest did on the surface, unless the plaintiffs can prove that MGM either knowingly or through negligence allowed Paddock to amass weapons and ammo in his room, didn't provide adequate security, ignored complaints etc., then they should be held liable on some level. It's up to the victims to prove that MGM did something wrong here which allowed this situation to happen where it normally wouldn't have.

IMO, these will either probably get thrown out due to the 2002 act or MGM will settle for cents on the dollar in what the victims are asking for.


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It is, they're suing to both "judge shop" and to have the the cases dismissed before they can go to arbitration and possibly trial.

Really depends, while I don't think MGM should be held accountable for what one of their guest did on the surface, unless the plaintiffs can prove that MGM either knowingly or through negligence allowed Paddock to amass weapons and ammo in his room, didn't provide adequate security, ignored complaints etc., then they should be held liable on some level. It's up to the victims to prove that MGM did something wrong here which allowed this situation to happen where it normally wouldn't have.

IMO, these will either probably get thrown out due to the 2002 act or MGM will settle for cents on the dollar in what the victims are asking for.


I think you could be onto something because this is not criminal, this is civil. They just have to prove negligence to a jury. In this case, the negligence has to be fairly steep. It's not like an active negligence case such as a surgery. It would be a passive negligence in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Burden of proof in this situation would require that they know beyond a reasonable doubt that he was bringing in guns, ammo, and/or both BUT failing to report it to the authorities. That's likely a case that cannot be made.

Even if he was, they would need to prove that MGM ignored clear signs of malicious intent because purely possession of firearms and ammo it not enough.

"Why are you bringing in so many guns?"

"Oh, gun convention showing up. Is there a firearm prohibition policy here?"

"No. Just checking because it seems odd."

"Yeah, haha, the only reason someone would be hauling around this many guns is for a gun show, for sure."

"Haha, you're right. Pardon the intrusion. Just doing my job. Carry on."

"No worries. Thanks for keeping us safe. I'm gonna kill a lot of 'em."

"What was that last part?"

"I'm going to sell a lot of 'em."

"Oh, right..."



Also, they released footage already. There's no case (no pun intended). He had them in totes and large bags.


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