Which, given the structure of the sentence (if Anakin could have done it anytime throughout ROTS, wouldn't George have said "you need to be Mace, Yoda, or Anakin to compete with the Emperor"?) and the development of the actual story (e.g. Kenobi being established fodder for Sheev but good enough to take on a Anakin in a protracted duel as a plot point that the script explicitly states), most likely speaks to Anakin's eventual ability to defeat Palpatine.
"The fighting has evolved in these last three movies considerably," says Gillard. "George Lucas works on a system of levels. So, on The Phantom Menace Obi-Wan would have been like a level six or seven. Now that we're on Episode III he's actually a level eight. When you move up the levels, it affects the style of fighting."
This is from starwars.com, I believe, too. It's not even some offhand interview ten years later.
There's literally no getting around that - sorry bud.
Truly anything you say moving forward will just be met with that quote.
BTW, this is consistent with Lucas also creating tier systems for the OT, as explained in Making Empire Strikes Back.
The same book says Anakin is the GOAT, I believe, so clearly you're interpretation of that is wrong.
Disney considers whatever Lucas worked on as Canon as per Pablo just the other day - the tier systems were made by him.
Thus, they're Canon.
The ten scale one.
No contradiction present. Different scales of the same idea.
Pablo has said essentially the same thing in recent times.
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What the heck?
Anakin is absent from the list of people that George Lucas thinks can take the Emperor down at the time of RotS. Let Tempest explain it to you (in my defense, which should tell you I'm absolutely correct here):
It's also stated that Lucas did edit the RotS Novelization word by word, which didn't stop him from shitting all over it with the movie.
Yes. There is:
Those are still just comments by Nick Gillard and not George Lucas with no official "level system" by George Lucas existing. And until we see that somewhere, Nick Gillards incoherent interpretations don't mean anything. Especially not when contradicting words from George Lucas himself, saying that Anakin, as of RotS, can NOT compete with Sidious. End of story.
I've understood now, that you are a moron. Thanks.
Yes. The point is, that we don't have any "tiers" by Lucas published anywhere regarding PT characters. We only have Nick Gillard with his still incoherent references of that "level system". And it still is, pretty much, without consequence for an EU forum.
Anakin would have become the GOAT, if Obi-Wan hadn't ended his ascent to that position by chopping of some limbs. As of RotS, Anakin is clearly not capable of taking out Sidious, Yoda or Mace Windu, provided he can't even take out Obi-Wan. There isn't much to "interprete" here, considering the facts.
Unless they have been published, they are just some obscure reference material, that nobody needs to care about. Have they been published? No?
Oh. You're making a reference to a ten scale system, when Gillard clearly says that even level 9 doesn't exist? But then it does, and you can place people there. But not everytime they fight, because you need to explain away Anakin losing to Obi-Wan.
Yeah. Sounds like a coherent system that can serve as basis for arguments. Not.
"I'm not going to explain anything. Instead I will make an obscure reference to an obscure source making obscure references to an obscure tier system. And then, I win, right?"
And seriously: You even quoted contradictionary remarks by Nick Gillard (namely the placement of Obi-Wan in that tier system). Laughable.
What people say in some interviews is virtually of no consequence when it comes to "being canon". Unless it either printed, filmed or recorded otherwise under Lucasfilm License, it is basically completely meaningless. And given that I don't see the LFL stamp anywhere on that page, where you got the quote from (thanks for NOT providing a source, by the way), I guess, it's still a non-issue. Thank you very much.