When did they say he never had control over the wand?
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What? Albus never had the elder wand in his duel against Gellert. Gellert had the Elder wand, which didn't work properly since the Wand didn't accept Gellert as his owner.
Again, he was defending not attacking. Which isnt the same. Albus attacked Gellert. Voldemort could never stand Young Albus.
No, your points aren't accepted. You are evading simple facts that are very decisive for this discussion. (Like the fact that Albus wasn't attacking Voldemort).
Never said in the movie, it is said somewhere in the books. But since Quanchi brought up the topic of Gellert vs Albus, i had to explain the situation.
As i told you, this isn't debatable until we see Gellert vs Albus in FB2. But since you insisted and brought to topic of Gellert vs Albus, i had to explain the situation (Book version).
So Albus was not its master which is what Harry was in deathly Hallows when Voldemort had the elder wand.
You repeat yourself over and over without showing you grasp what an attack or a duel is for that matter. When he turned the glass into sand that's a defense but when he sends a water bubble at Voldemort that's clearly an attack. Address what's being said quit repeating yourself.
Again speculation. You presume but debates are based on facts not what you believe. I've already debunked that it's just you don't know what ah attack is.
You didn't care about this factor when discussing Harry vs. Voldemort and ignored the context. Be consistent.
Lets wait for FB2 to continue the debate okay. So there is stronger evidenceon my side. Cause we have barely seen from Grindelwald. (Which is clear enough that G beats V in a duel).
No one has agreed with you so that's fine but I've used evidence. Voldemort is the best dark wizard and he never lost to Albus. Gellert will but let's see how it plays out on the big screen.
Acually, Voldemort is better in the Dark Arts, while Grindelwald is better overall. Who is the best Dark Wizzard? Voldemort. Who is the best Wizzard? Grindelwald.
They are giving evidence in their videos Quanchi. And it wouldn't be wise to assume that all the youtubers i mentioned before would support Gellert knowing that Voldemort is more famous and that the public would judge them for it.
I have seen the videos but I reach a different conclusion. Gellert isn't better at all. One thing they can't shake is Gellert had the best wand and lost. Voldemort didn't lose while Albus had the best wand. That's undeniable.
You need to understand the Elder Wand before using it in a Debate.
The Elder Wand is only formidable when it has accepted the user as it's wearer.
Both Grindelwald and Voldemort never had full control over the wand. As we saw in Harry Potter, the Wand began cracking after Voldemort used it to break the shield.
So basically Grindelwald never had a real advantage over Dumbledore.
Also, remember that Albus was much younger and stronger when he faced Grindelwald. Voldemort faced a weaker and much old Albus.
Furthermore, remember that Voldemort's wand wasn't a normal wand neither. It wasn't as strong as the Elder Wand, but it wasn't an ordinary common wand neither.
And again, Dumbledore never really wanted to defeat Voldemort. Albus was more concerned on defending Harry than on defeating Voldemort. That is undebatable.
Harry was its rightful owner so it resisted him. Albums wasn't the rightful owner when he dueled Gellert so not exactly the same thing but this is book territory and I'll revisit this years down the road.
We shall also see if Albus is much stronger or in his prime then. Albus wouldn't have fled with Harry otherwise. He was interested in defeating him he just wasn't able. No matter what wand Voldemort had it wasn't as powerful as the elder wand.
The only way it wouldn't work properly for Grindelwald is if he wasn't accepted as the true owner. It makes sense he wouldn't be when you think about it...he stole the wand right? I don't think he used magic to disarm someone of it.
But whatever reason he wasn't accepted as the true owner...that would mean anyone who defeats Grindelwald wouldn't have become the true owner either. So why did Dumbledore seem to have control over it?
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Grindelwald was the "true" owner. You don't need to use magic to disarm someone to get the wand as evidenced by Harry "disarming" Draco by ripping his wand out of his hand and therefore becoming the owner of the Elder Wand.
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