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TPM Maul wins. 19 67.86%
Draw. 1 3.57%
Rebels Maul wins. 8 28.57%
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POLL - Darth Maul: TPM vs Rebels
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Rockydonovang
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Maul's in the range of a force user in Vader who's LOTS version was doing a better version of TCW Maul's best feat.

The evidence for Maul declining is non-existent.

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Originally posted by Rebel95
So to show that Maul has growth, Filoni had him get three shotted by Obi Wan?

Basic critical thinking would get you to realize that the three-shotting wasn't a result of a massive gap between the combatants. Hence why Ahsoka can't just stomp maul despite being able to contend with Vader.
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Your hypocrisy and ability to ignore common sense does [/B]

I'm sure it does, now do you have an actual argument?

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Jaggarath
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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
better version of TCW Maul's best feat.

Link / quote to Vader dueling head-to-head with Sidious and even landing a kick?


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Rockydonovang
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Link / quote to Vader dueling head-to-head with Sidious and even landing a kick?

Maul never dueled head to head with Sidious. Sidious wasn't even fighting Maul at full speed.

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Prove it.


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Maul danced away from one blow, then reversed his movement to avoid another, and then there were too many to count, and then there were even more than that.

Sidious wasn't fighting Maul at full speed, hence why he was able to romp up his attack.

Starwars.com also states Sidious "toyed with Maul, ultimately deciding not ot kill his former apprentince" and per Feloni he's "enjoying himself as he does it".

Maul never went "toe to toe" with Sidious, he got clowned. Maul doesn't get any favorable comparison to Sidious.

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The “toying” part is likely referring to the Force Lightning. Made more clear in Maul’s history in the same databank.

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The Sith Master killed Savage Opress and took Maul captive— but not before joyfully torturing his old apprentice with Force lightning.

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Rockydonovang
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Nope.

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In an intense duel, he killed Savage and toyed with Maul, ultimately deciding not to kill his former apprentice.
--Taken from starwars.com, Darth Maul Biography Gallery, Image 33 of 33

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Maul never dueled head to head with Sidious. Sidious wasn't even fighting Maul at full speed.
Lies. Sidious apologists. I bet Windu didn't beat his ass either, right ?


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Basic critical thinking would get you to realize that the three-shotting wasn't a result of a massive gap between the combatants. Hence why Ahsoka can't just stomp maul despite being able to contend with Vader.
I'm sure it does, now do you have an actual argument?

Nor is it a result of them growing as swordsmen. Otherwise, wouldn't Filoni have made Ahsoka's and Vader's fight short? Because they both grew as swordsmen too!

Rather, it is a result of their character's growth. How can you not understand that?

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Kbro: that quote from the website doesn't preclude the idea Sidious was toying with Maul when he literally began throwing him around and shocking him with lightning while laughing. Prove its referring to the lightsaber portion as well. Also your quote from Shadow Collective is non-Canon. You'll need a better source proving the final portion of the fight isn't an all out expression of both their lightsaber capabilities.


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Not to mention starwars.com is a far inferior Canon source than, say, AEYNTK.


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Nope.



What do you mean “nope”. My quote is from his history on the same site. And if you align them together, it’s clear what it means. I know you like to pick and choose sources, but putting quotes together, especially from the same source, is a thing.

Also very interesting both quotes only talk about “toying” or “joyfully torturing” After Savage has been killed.

It’s almost as if it’s describing the scene we saw, ergo the Tk’ing and Lightning which was actual toying we saw.

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Nor is it a result of them growing as swordsmen. Otherwise, wouldn't Filoni have made Ahsoka's and Vader's fight short? Because they both grew as swordsmen too!

Rather, it is a result of their character's growth. How can you not understand that?



Exactly.

This is the point he just won’t get.

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Nor is it a result of them growing as swordsmen. Otherwise, wouldn't Filoni have made Ahsoka's and Vader's fight short?
Because they both grew as swordsmen too!

You realize that Feloni is allowed to and did utilize his creative license to have Kenobi vs Maul be a different sort of fight?
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Rather, it is a result of their character's growth. How can you not understand that? [/B]

It can be beth, Beck already touched on character growth as an earlier reason. Feloni's response however was in the context of their ability as duelists, so such a conclusion regarding this statement from Feloni can only be arrived by completely ignoring the context of the statement.

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@thor, do you realize Sidious can both toy with Maul in a duel and enjoy torturing him with lighting?

Stop forcing contradictions that don't exist. Combining quotes doesn't mean changing what an induvidual quote means to form the combined meaning we want.

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Kbro: that quote from the website doesn't preclude the idea Sidious was toying with Maul when he literally began throwing him around and shocking him with lightning while laughing. Prove its referring to the lightsaber portion as well. Also your quote from Shadow Collective is non-Canon. You'll need a better source proving the final portion of the fight isn't an all out expression of both their lightsaber capabilities.

Uh, yea, the quote refers to the duel in general, so it's up to you to prove it was specifically referring to the force bout of the duel that made up an incredibly small portion of the fight.

Also, why shouldn't I just apply your logic and take the holistic intent of a non canonical source?

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Jaggarath
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Lmfao, what? We visually see where Sidious toys with Maul - when he literally toys him around. The people writing that aren't inventing new Canon, they're watching what we're watching and summarizing it. There's no indication within the actual fight itself that Sidious was toying with Maul - we even see him snarling at certain points. Thus, the claim that Sidious was toying with Maul during the fight doesn't follow logically, so you'd need confirmation on your behalf that it's referring to the entire fight. It seems you can't even do that now, though. The biography seems to have been removed from Darth Maul's page (http://www.starwars.com/databank/darth-maul), so it seems it's Canon relevance is... zero. Oops.

I have no clue what you're referring to with the second point.


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