Some people think taxes are a necessary evil (me) and some people think that taxes are not ethical/moral (socool8520).
This thread is to discuss whether or not you want taxes, how do use them, or if you do not want taxes and how to live without them.
If we go that route, then firefighters, police, civil servants (of all types including lawyers provided by the state, which is a constitutional right), military, and even government funding scientific research has to go away. But perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps you have an idea and you only me income taxes have to go away? I agree. I think we can do just fine if we get rid of income taxes. We just need to figure out how to fix our broken tax system, scale back what we spend, and spend smarter.
I think we can have our cake and eat it too: I think we can have a universal healthcare solution AND have no income taxes.
I never said that taxes were immoral. lol I'm not Ben Shapiro. I simply said i shouldn't be taxed so much solely for taking care of everyone else.
I also disagree that all those would need to be removed. I will gladly front the money for a service provided which everything you mentioned does. I pay money, they provide a much needed service. I'm all for that. What I don't feel the need for (and I admit I may just be not compassionate enough) is to give money away to help others who do not provide me with anything in return.
I would be much more in agreeance with welfare and universal healthcare if those who were too poor to afford help themselves were made to go to a trade school or become certified to fix our road systems or something of the like. Then we would be getting something in return.
IMO they already collect more than enough, the government is just inefficient as hell when it comes to spending our money.
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Depends on what it's used for. Though despite my qualms with a lot that the US government does, I'm happier with the US government than I am with the alternative of no government, a third-world shithole government, European governments that have their sovereignty encroached upon and have a migrant crisis and terrorism to deal with, or the dangerously authoritarian headed Canadian government that is heading down a path of compelling ideology in its citizens.
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As somebody who views John Locke as the greatest political philosopher, I agree with him that government is a necessary social contract, a sacrifice of some property and liberty to protect life, liberty, and property as a whole. There are misuses of taxpayer money sure, but nothing so excessive I'd consider the standard for justifying rebellion remotely justified, so the government as a whole is something I'd absolutely consider legitimate.
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If the option is yes or no, obviously it's a yes. A modern society needs funding to function. I could see a no tax system working in a tribal environment, where's there's a few hundred people policing themselves, looking out for the community, specific roles are laid out, bartering etc. Expand beyond a tribe and we need a more rigid/expansive system and that cost money.
As you noted, it does seem like we could do away with a lot of taxes if our system wasn't so broken with money leaking out pores. We [blindly] throw trillions at a system and then elect degenerates to run it.
eg I'm sure our military could be streamlined to be just as efficient at destroying the next 10 countries over and not cost us nearly 600billion a year. Same goes for healthcare services, i'm certain it could be made more efficient at a lower cost. Social Security is one I'm not so eager to touch though.
I'll agree add to Fly's post with "That goes for the right too."
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My fault. I thought you were anti-income taxes because of your wording. I wanted to give you your own thread to discuss it because I do have the no-income taxes lean.
Yes, all taxes go to helping everyone else: that's what taxes are.
Then I think you could easily be swayed with the Fair Tax system which means pretty much everyone pays taxes. Anyone who spends money, pays taxes. That means we all would be providing services for each other and the homeless and destitute would get free healthcare while all the rest of us "contribute."
I 100% agree with you. If someone benefits from the system, they should be required to work for the "community." If they can hold a sign up at a street corner, they can wash windows, empty trashcans, etc.
Oh, you mean no income tax. While I have benefited from this, I could definitely see the reasoning for not receiving that check every year for tax breaks. I'm not against taking that away.
Absolutely. I agree that taxes are a necessary evil for infrastructure and civil service funding.
I would be okay with aiding people who have some people disability that physically prohibits them from working enough to pay for their own well-being. Just being poor is not reason enough for me though. If they want better healthcare or access to it at all, then they should have to do something extra to get it if they can't afford it already. Much like the things you mentioned in the post below.
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