The logic behind Eve being ruled by Adam is (I believe) that she disobeyed Adam who gave her the rule that consisted in not-eating the forbidden fruit. Saying that she wasn't at fault against Adam is undermining the fact she downright doomed him and all his children by proxy while going directly against his wishes.
There are many better examples of the just suffering over nearly nothing in the Bible to try making Eve into one of those.
I've read Genesis and God gets it. Women need to know their place: under a man's boot heel. They're too weak and stupid to do anything themselves.
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That's not logic. That's just blaming a woman. Adam knew as well as Eve that the fruit was forbidden. He chose to eat it anyway, so he should have received the same punishment. There is really no way to get around that.
Nobody argues that there aren't worse **** you stories in the Bible, but to act like this one is not unjust is wrong imo.
Lol. I really don't get why. The real punishment was mortality. They both got that. Eve (women) got a painful childbirth etc and Adam (men) got to work shit jobs toiling in the fields. Life is tough and fleeting. Eve is no worse off than Adam. Why is Adam the ruler? Because men ruled. It's as simple as that. They were describing (symbolically) the way things truly were.
Which is to say, not at all. Before they ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of the Difference Between Good and Evil, they did not know the difference between right or wrong, which means concepts like forbidden would be just as meaningless to them.
It's not a good or evil situation. It was the fact that they were told not to eat the fruit specifically by God but did it anyways. Whether they knew the consequences (to be fair, they didn't) is irrelevant.
But Eve technically did worse. She disobeyed God just like Adam but she also betrayed Adam. We can agree that binding her whole kin to servitude forever is a massive punishment, but (again, according to the story) Eve did something in additon to what Adam did.
Yes, it is. Because if you know the difference between right and wrong, then you know the difference between good and evil. Prior to eating the fruit, they had no concept of either. So if you forbid them from doing something, that is a meaningless concept, because they do not even know what "wrong" is, let alone that by doing something "forbidden," they would be doing something wrong.
They did understand speech, so they understood when God said you can eat everything but this. Don't do that. Didn't Eve even say to the serpent that they were not to eat from the tree? That would be proof that she understood the concept of "Don't"
Whether they knew that it was right or wrong is still irrelevant.
He did not say, "cannot," he said "do not." And without a concept of right or wrong, they cannot understand that transgressing a command is wrong, or even what wrong means.
Really? Because I feel like the actual wording could be lost in translation. The point is he said don't. Doesn't matter if you know what will happen if you do, you know that he said don't. He gave an example of what could be done, and said what not to do. That should have been understood.
The way that Jordan Peterson interprets it, the "knowledge of good and evil" goes hand in hand with knowledge of one's own vulnerability. Because once you know how vulnerable humans are, you know how to willingly hurt them if you want, or to willingly abstain from hurting them.
So Adam and Eve, who are the first people on earth, transcend that point of knowing good from evil. That is why they no longer live in the garden (wilderness). It's something like becoming self aware. Hence the part where they realized they were naked in front of god.
This is one of the stories in the Bible where mankind almost becomes God-like. It was because they already had developed their self awareness that God had to kick them out of the garden, "so that they should no eat of the book of life" (immortality). You might say, why didn't he let us become immortal gods like him? Because that's not what happened. This story would've made no sense to the people listening to it back then if the end result was that human beings were immortal and wise. Because that's just not life. They needed a reason for why we die. For why we toil in the fields. For why life is hard in general.
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