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Civil War Iron Man takes an Iron Fist to the face...

- Tony is wearing the armour he wore at the end of the film, when fighting Cap and Bucky.
- Iron Fist gets a free shot, right to Tony's face, and is hitting with as much power as he can (so, ground-pound, floorbuster-level strike).
- Tony does not dodge or block. He is relying on his suit to protect him.

What happens? Is he KO'd? Killed? Is he fine but his helmet gets messed up?


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He explodes into meaty chunks or at least gets a hole in his face or chest


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It was actually some "Because Science" episodes that prompted this. Like this one, for example:



The only time I actually recall him being KO'd while in the suit was at the end of the Avengers, but it had lost power at that point. Even in Civil War, his helmet gets battered and bent and his face bloodied, but he was still perfectly conscious and coherent at the end of the fight. I might be forgetting a showing, but is there any instance where he gets KO'd inside his suit while it is still functional? Not saying Kyle Hill's theory is correct, but is interesting to consider.


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He explodes into meaty chunks or at least gets a hole in his face or chest


Why would it? Iron Man's armor has withstood greater forces with no real damage to the armor.

He battled Thor. Thor landed some serious blows with his hammer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNvUrMA5ClM

A good punch from Iron Fist could damage the suit yes, but kill Iron Man. No.


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It's not the same armor my friend


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It was actually some "Because Science" episodes that prompted this. Like this one, for example:



The only time I actually recall him being KO'd while in the suit was at the end of the Avengers, but it had lost power at that point. Even in Civil War, his helmet gets battered and bent and his face bloodied, but he was still perfectly conscious and coherent at the end of the fight. I might be forgetting a showing, but is there any instance where he gets KO'd inside his suit while it is still functional? Not saying Kyle Hill's theory is correct, but is interesting to consider.


Yep in IM 2 party fight's end, the suit can be visibly seen coming back online after the repulsors explosion


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It's not the same armor my friend


No, it is the previous version of the armor.

We are talking about Mk XLVI here (Civil War). Which is an improvement from the Mk VII here (Which is an obsolete model compared to Civil War's one).


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Improvement in what exactly? Tasers and restraints?


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And for people who haven't seen the show Iron Fist (I know the early critic reviews made a lot of people decide to skip it), or might not remember all the feats totally clearly, this is the strike in question:


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Yep in IM 2 party fight's end, the suit can be visibly seen coming back online after the repulsors explosion


Yeah, but was he actually knocked out while the suit was still online? IIRC, the suit is shown being offline for a couple of seconds before the eye lenses light up again, but we don't see his face directly.


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Improvement in what exactly? Tasers and restraints?


Every aspect.

General strenght, durability, fire power, mobility, etc.

The Mk XLVI is far superior to the Mk VII seen in Avangers 1.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wiki...rmor:_Mark_XLVI

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wiki...Armor:_Mark_VII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXVzgHrJbCo

Iron Man Mk XLV (Which is inferior to XLVI) took direct hits from Ultron with no scratch.

Iron Fist could damage the suit i think, but breach it with one blow. No.


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And for people who haven't seen the show Iron Fist (I know the early critic reviews made a lot of people decide to skip it), or might not remember all the feats totally clearly, this is the strike in question:



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The Mk XLVI is far superior to the Mk VII seen in Avangers 1.

Iron Man Mk XLV (Which is inferior to XLVI)


Not when comparing them featwise where it is the total opposite


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Not when comparing them featwise where it is the total opposite


Opposite? Sorry but i dont get you.

The Mk46 can withstand an iron fist to the face, thats all you need to know.


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Opposite? Sorry but i dont get you.

The Mk46 can withstand an iron fist to the face, thats all you need to know.


Just that comparing them featwise the MK 46 is the vastly inferior one


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Just that comparing them featwise the MK 46 is the vastly inferior one


No. It doesn't work like that. MK46 is superior to the previous models.

It's logic. You don't make another model else it is to improve the previous model.


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Here we go by feats. Not assumptions or wiki pages


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Here we go by feats. Not assumptions or wiki pages


No. No feats put MK46 under MK6.

So based on logic MK6 is below.


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It would make sense that the Civil War armor is the most advanced one yet in terms of every stat across the board, but

- Avengers Armor gave a good fight to Thor (including some hammer shots and Thor attempting to crush Tony's left repulsor/gauntlet) and got hit around like a Ping-Pong ball in the SHIELD helicarrier's engine blades.

Now, compare this with IM3:

- Tony's remote-controlled armor gets smashed to bits by a tractor trailer. Makes no sense in light of his "inferior" armor model taking on Thor and all it survived in Avengers.

Furthermore, let's look at the Civil War armor:

- Bucky grips and then outright crushes one of Tony's repulsors/gauntlets. Is Bucky's robo-arm grip stronger than Thor's grip? I think not. Also stuff like Steve and Bucky rocking Tony with punches, Tony getting pinned down by falling cars, Steve overpowering Tony's boosters, etc.

It's clear by feats that Tony's suits in IM3 and Civil War aren't up to the same level as his suits in IM, IM2, Avengers, and Age of Ultron.

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Oh please. What feats does the MK 46 have that is above Mk 6? The only thing it has over MK6 is emp/taser projectiles, restraint projectiles, and combat analysis. I say for practically every damn feat of MK46 the MK6 has better


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