Lol, seems like they were other comments in missed(couldn't watch the video) and the dude ignored.
Nvm then, seems like Ned is really ~ Jaime. Great Arthur wank lol
Sorry, I can't link it.
Anyway, they basically said that Ned is a famous warrior, and Jaime wants to test his meddle, and and see "who's the better man".
But the possibly most important part is "They're pretty evenly matched, and it's anyone's guess who would've won [if it wasn't interrupted].
As much as I hate to admit it, it seems like Ned is close to Jaime. I mean,the "evenly matched" could refer to the part where Jaime wasn't serious, but the part where it is said "if the fight wasn't interrupted" speaks otherwise imo.
The guy that posted the video seems to think the comments were made to indicate that Jaime was toying with Ned and only became serious in the latter end of the fight but we never saw him go all out. Unfortunately I can't see the video so I dunno what to think
He was at the Siege of Pyke cutting down Greyjoys like they were nothing. Listen to Euron's telling and you'd believe Jaime was the greatest swordsman that ever lived
good call, however he ordered his men to take him alive, which meant that at the moment he did not plan on fighting ned. once they crossed swords, jamie was out to kill ned, which the later dialogue with tywin supports.
notice 1:15 how he steps back, and avoids the fight until confronted by jory. clearly he did not plan on ned/jory overcoming his guards and confronting him directly, so you can't really apply his previous decision to a drastically altered situation.
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No, it really doesn't. Both Ned & Jaime knew that Tyrion (Jaime's beloved brother) dies when he kills Ned. And what should he have said to Tywin (the one person Jaime fears)? "I wanted to save my brother - you know, the disgrace to our family, the dude that you blame for the death of your beloved wife? Yeah, that one."
And as for "he didn't wanted to fight Ned". After Jory died, Jaime was walking towards Ned and challenged him. He could've just told his 10 men to capture him lol.
The creators even stated that he wanted to test Ned & see how good he is.
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I might be misinterpreting "meddle", but I see no reason why Jaime would try to kill Jaime - at least not until they crossed sword, as Jaime didn't looked like he struggled in the slightest.
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i don't feel like transcribing the whole scene, but according to d&d, jaime was testing at first, but in the end it was a fight to the death and he intended to kill or be killed. i think that solves that part of the debate.
later in the comments, he flatout says that they were evenly matched and it was anyone's guess who would win. so that's another aspect of the argument we can lay to rest. ned and jamie are pretty much equals.
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Last edited by Bashar Teg on Oct 19th, 2017 at 05:24 PM
i agree that novel jamie was superior. grrm put him over most swordsman, at least in character dialogue concerning him and in jaime's personal reflections on who is better than who. with that said, i might be so bold as to argue that book loras could match or perhaps even defeat jamie in a duel.
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Last edited by Bashar Teg on Oct 19th, 2017 at 05:31 PM
We don't know when the fight got serious, though. Like I said - Jaime only started to struggle as they crossed swords.
I know what they said. But fighting evenly =/= being equal, and it is very possible that Ned only fought evenly with a toying Jaime.
Yeah, the commentary suggests that they are very close to each other, but it doesn't says that Jaime wanted to kill Ned the whole time.
you're shifting the goal posts in a way which proves nothing for the topic. d&d clearly stated that ned was equal to jamie and that regardless of his intentions, it quickly became a fight to the death. so no, jamie did not hold back in the end, and thus him and ned were even. so we saw a clear demonstration of their abilities, without anyone 'holding back'. you really cant argue around those points.
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