Regardless of its relevance to thread, it is relevant to the conversation at hand. I'm referring to what Underachiever said specifically, that it ending with the phrase "Vader still possessed great power" contradicts Palpatine's hypothesis that he would be weaker, but that's not how english works.
For example, take this sentence:
I knew I had to go to the store, but I still had two packages of crackers left.
The fact that I still had crackers doesn't contradict the notion that I still have to go to the store. If I want it to, I would word it as follows:
I thought I had to go to the store, but I still had two packages of crackers left.
The same principle applies to the quote. Wording is key.
Last edited by NewGuy01 on Oct 23rd, 2017 at 01:53 AM
The conversation at hand is retarded. And unfortunately for you, English works in a variety of ways you don't exactly get to dictate. Regardless, the topic at hand began when someone argued Vader would never be as powerful as Anakin, which is not said once. You can imply that, argue for it even, but it's never stated definitely, which was the claim.
In the end, Sidious does not "know" a quantitative value of how powerful Vader may or may not be, just like you don't ever "know" that you need to go to the store definitely. Because someone might just bring groceries over to you. Therein lies the weakness of your argument. Making a logical assessment does not make you correct, no matter how likely. Point blank and full stop.
Losing a hand would make someone worse at sword fighting. But with enough practice and dedication it could be possible to reach, maybe even surpass, the level the person was at before.
I don't care. You can sway the conversation your own way when this one is over.
Or maybe you're just wrong. That's a possibility too. Fact is, your argument isn't that hard to understand. I just don't agree with it regardless of you trying to explain the nuance of the English language with everyone.
I agree, it shouldn't be hard to understand at all, but with you bringing up so many irrelevant points, it's difficult for me to believe we're actually on the same page. Whether or not Palpatine was correct in his assumption doesn't concern me; my claim was that the quote doesn't imply that he was incorrect. If it were worded differently it might have, but it wasn't.
Nah Vader’s better than CW Anakin. Honestly I have him above regular ROTS Anakin, but when Anakin is performing like he did against Dooku or operation Knightfall, he trashes Vader
Yes, I understand. But whatever the quote may have implied, which if you read what I said it is indeed a logical conclusion, the quote is ultimately wrong because Vader is able to overcome his weaknesses there and surpass Anakin. Whereas the argument was, "Vader either is weaker than Anakin or was never able to match his potential," which the quote does not claim, nor is the quote shown to be at least permanently true. I'm sure just after Mustafar, Vader was weaker than Anakin. We have many quotes after this that state Vader grew in power as well, which is not irrelevant at all, because that was the conversation at hand.
1.) Luke
2.) Definatley Luke
3.) Dooku, he such an underrated swordsman. Tbh he's one of the best.
4.) Probably Luke (unless it was RotS Vader in which case Luke has no chance)
Oct 23rd, 2017 01:39 AM
