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Then all the more I'm confused why you think Bronne is better than Jon? The only clean one on one fight Bronn won was over the vale knight who was encumbered by armor and who had zero feats for us to know how good he was. Bronn couldn't beat a sand snake (sand snakes who couldn't take down a 1 armed Jamie) and was only able to beat the Dothraki through circumstance. Other than that, Bronn has been fighting in giant melee battles and didn't perform quite as impressively as Jon Snow.


You forgot about the Dornishmen that accosted him and Jaime before they fought the Snakes. Bronn tossed that dagger with crazy accuracy, killed another one fast as hell and injured one for the sole purpose of giving Jaime a shot. Then he killed that last one off screen


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Jon took on the fookin' Legend of Gin Alley.

He clear with ease.


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Bronn > Dragon therefore is > Jon


I dunno which one is better big grin


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You forgot about the Dornishmen that accosted him and Jaime before they fought the Snakes. Bronn tossed that dagger with crazy accuracy, killed another one fast as hell and injured one for the sole purpose of giving Jaime a shot. Then he killed that last one off screen


Yeah but Jon has dozens of feats similar feats against wildlings, nights watch and random soldiers during battle. Not the knife throwing part but the taking out fodder easily part.


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Arya claims it causes him to be much slower in the previous episode and that is should be cauterized.

Oh wow you're right I never noticed that before. I agree that under normal circumstances the Hound would probably win, but it's still a great feat for Brienne, and "sick and weakly" is a bit of an exaggeration lol

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Yeah but Jon has dozens of feats similar feats against wildlings, nights watch and random soldiers during battle. Not the knife throwing part but the taking out fodder easily part.


Different fodder with different styles. Again wildlings have no armor and shit weapons when compared to southern fighters


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Different fodder with different styles. Again wildlings have no armor and shit weapons when compared to southern fighters


Do you have any proof that they have shit weapons? And Bronn himself beat someone else with far superior armor to his own.

Besided, you seem to have glossed over the fact that it wasn't just wildlings that Jon fought but various other soldiers in various other battles.


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Bronn took on two Sandsnakes, and they fought for a minute at best. Also, two sand snakes were able to give Euron trouble, who was slaughtering Yara's men, and beat Yara herself (who cut through Ironborn with ease) in less than half a minute. So yeah, it's not a bad feat.


Bronn took on 2 sand snakes in the beginning but one left and he ended up facing the other in single combat. And he ended up on the worse end of that fight.


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Wildlings appear to well equipped when it comes to battle, aside from armor

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Do you have any proof that they have shit weapons? And Bronn himself beat someone else with far superior armor to his own.

Besided, you seem to have glossed over the fact that it wasn't just wildlings that Jon fought but various other soldiers in various other battles.


Yes I do. I believe they stated it in the show and you can see they have weapons made of bone and rocks. Some do have metal weapons but you can't argue they are able to forge weapons as well as the kingdoms south of the wall

I didn't gloss that over. I specifically stated that Jon fought in battles but mostly those are mayhem and vastly different from a 1v1 fight. Plus he has had significant trouble against dirty fighters in the past

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Wildlings appear to well equipped when it comes to battle, aside from armor


You can't really claim that weapons north of the wall are as good as the weapons south


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Yes I do. I believe they stated it in the show and you can see they have weapons made of bone and rocks. Some do have metal weapons but you can't argue they are able to forge weapons as well as the kingdoms south of the wall

I didn't gloss that over. I specifically stated that Jon fought in battles but mostly those are mayhem and vastly different from a 1v1 fight. Plus he has had significant trouble against dirty fighters in the past



You can't really claim that weapons north of the wall are as good as the weapons south
There's no reason to think weapons south of the wall are better than ones beyond the wall.

Nothing from the show backs that notion up.


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Of course there is. North of the Wall is is much less "advanced" than that of in the South. Again you clearly see some of the weapons are made of wood, rock and bone.

Also remember Gendry noticing Arya had "Castle forged steel"? That clearly shows there a difference between metal made by higher ups and the lower people and that on the same side of the Wall. There is no reason to believe the Free Folk can forge weapons to the same degree as lords in the South


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If anything, Northmen weapons are superior as they withstand the brutal temperature extremes without shattering and go blow for blow with "proper" Westerosi steel.

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If anything, Northmen weapons are superior as they withstand the brutal temperature extremes without shattering and go blow for blow with "proper" Westerosi steel.


There's nothing to show "proper Westerosi steel" can't handle cold. Winterfell is very cold and they don't have any issues


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Of course there is. North of the Wall is is much less "advanced" than that of in the South. Again you clearly see some of the weapons are made of wood, rock and bone.

Also remember Gendry noticing Arya had "Castle forged steel"? That clearly shows there a difference between metal made by higher ups and the lower people and that on the same side of the Wall. There is no reason to believe the Free Folk can forge weapons to the same degree as lords in the South
The steel weapons used have not shown to be inferior.


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Using logic it would be. Even still, many do not use steel weaponry. Even if they did, almost none have any proper training. Most use these weapons for hunting and brawling.


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Bronn took on 2 sand snakes in the beginning but one left and he ended up facing the other in single combat. And he ended up on the worse end of that fight.
Yeah, he fought the other one for, like, 10 seconds. In this time, he could've killed her twice (as he punched her, and as he pushed her away). He only ended up with a small cut, which only was a problem because the Snake poisoned it. And I don't understand how that's a bad feat. Jon nearly got killed by randoms as well.


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Could be that Bronn didn't want to kill a woman???


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I mean, he didn't wanted to fight them, and Jaime & he just infiltrated the gardens, and walked through Dorne, so it is possible that they were exhausted.


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Using logic it would be. Even still, many do not use steel weaponry. Even if they did, almost none have any proper training. Most use these weapons for hunting and brawling.


In the end it doesn't matter. Quality of wildling weapons won't matter since we've never seen any of their weapons fail against Jon's Valerian sword nor any of the nightwatch's supposedly superior weaponry.

Jon didn't defeat them due to his superior weaponry. And Bronn doesn't have superior weapons than Jon anyway. So at this point this is simply strawmanning.


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I mean, he didn't wanted to fight them, and Jaime & he just infiltrated the gardens, and walked through Dorne, so it is possible that they were exhausted.


Suppositions. No proof. Bottom line is, Bronn fought one of them head on and came out being injured.


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