I'm not sure if I ever actually gave my opinion on who would win.
In character, based on what we've actually seen in the comics, I'd have to say Wonder Woman.
Believe it or not, this is actually slightly different than who I think "should" win.
For I think DarkSaint's suggestion of Speedsteal is sound. It is possible and plausible. There is certainly history of Flash or other Flash characters using it. Strangely, most of theses episodes, when not involving Speedforce speedsters, seem to involve Superman in race conditions against Flash. However, in few if any cases do these speed steals involve complete stoppage, most imply that stoppage of momentum is NOT possible when the opponent is strong enough and has any real momentum built up, and the actual percentage of SS usage seems to be very, very low.
I note that Riv started a thread asking just how invulnerable Wonder Woman is.
The true answer, of course, is "however invulnerable DC decides". Within story, however, the answer is that Diana conforms to the model of a Pantheon-blessed being, whose stats actually go up or down according to what her backers desire and how much power they themselves have and choose to invest in her.
By the point of 2009 or 2010, however, Diana's intrinsic invulnerability, or perhaps more properly damage soak ability, is such that she can and does quite literally, endure being punched and kicked halfway across the world. Punches a nuclear missile and has it explode in her face. Gets punched by Superman several million miles through space and craters on Earth. She goes on to win that fight against Superman, flies off unharmed from the nuke, and literally jokes with her "world tour" guide, Zoom, as I've shown twice now. Flash isn't going to win by standard punch hard OR punch often strategies if we actually go by what's in the book.
Anyway, this page is a good and proper place for "testing" strategies.
Flash side, have you anything to neutralize Diana if she simply takes to the air?
Except it says it stops him cold. Just like crashing a car into a brick wall as it speeds along.
That car crash would cause destruction, and it would be stopped cold. No contradiction.
You are adding your own spin onto things, when we have the writer saying clearly what Wally could do,the subsequent effects, and the reason for not doing it.
Moreover, we have a less skilled user of the SF,Jay, doing it to Superman posted in this thread.
You once more seem to gloss over poor Girder.asi have mentioned multiple times in this thread. No doubt because you're trying to ignore it.
1. If the Gamemnae world trio is any indication, Wonder Woman has demonstrated literal moon-moving strength, several times it, actually, and Flash being able to handle the momentum of a guy with the energy of a train is scarcely worthy of mention.
2. You've yet to explain how Superman would be able to cause damage from wherever they are to Moscow UNLESS he himself is going to be traveling all the way to Moscow.
Yes, much more than a freight train I imagine, and greater than anything you've shown to date. Girder and bullets were so unimpressive I didn't bother mentioning them; truthfully they were so poor even at registering with me that I I actually thought you confused (and/or your iPhone mistyped) the name "Girder" for "guillotine", as you actually showed Flash trapped IN a guillotine, which I reposted for you a page or two ago, whose blade Flash could only slow, not stop. Actually, without taking the time to check, even NOW I couldn't swear any but yourself ever gave "train" guy a name I could look up, much less actually called him Girder.
The Gamemnae incident, however, is something with scale enough to suggest Flash might be able to prevent even determined flight takeoff by Diana, though the mass Diana is theoretically hauling here in real-life terms is well over that of a dozen of our own Moon.
Can't be discounted as a simple bullet stoppage, at least.
Already posted, when you asked for scans of speedstealing.
No point reposting when you obviously don't read them.
As for it being greater than anything I've shown to date....nice implication. I posted all this way back in the thread.
Hardly my fault you skip and skim and don't pay attention.
The scans all had purpose.
Guillotine and bullet scans: to show he could speed steal without physical contact.
Girder: to show he could do it to sentient beings (and I named him in this thread, several times)
Planet: to show the scope and magnitude he could do.
Really not looking well for you here.
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Yeah. I used to repost them because I tried to be helpful.
But you're a prime example of leading horses to water and all that. I name checked Girder three times in this thread, preceding this page.
I posted the scans of him handling speed from the entire planet, AND the scan of him from the Obsidian Age. I posted the scans of the Speed Force NOT coming from the Godwave, but from Barry.
You missed them, and I had to continuously mention them.
You should spend less time posting random scans 'for completeness' as you say, and more time A: actually reading them and B: actually engaging in debate, as opposed to attempting to overwhelm people with faux attempts at intelligence.
Can't do any worse than the unanimous odds originally given Flash on page 1 of this thread.
And we've gone from that to people firmly being convinced Wonder Woman WINS an in-character fight with comicbook showings to back it up.
Along the way I've quietly dealt with pretty much every standard strategy Flash ever uses, including the vaunted i.m.p., showing how Wondy actually DEALT with those with a literal smile on her face when Zoom treated her to several.
Unless this were a spite match in Wondy's favor, I could scarcely see myself doing much better.
I should take your advice with a grain of salt, is what I should do, because only someone unfamiliar with your tactics will fail to see that your idea of "debate" is to slyly insult a person until they lose their temper with you.
Not likely to work with me; my goals are a bit different than that of the average poster.
If you actually want to be helpful, provide titles and issue numbers so people have a guide they can use to refer to these materials.
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