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MythLord
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I mean, it kinda is. The barracks can house underneath them hundreds of beings and Maul was about to destroy them with a Force Scream back in his teenage years. Throwing statues isn't as impressive.


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@AP, what's your source that the Rakatans 'couldn't' kill Soa, and how do you reconcile that with the fact 8 battle-worn and tired randoms managed to even with him manipulating the power of devices around him?


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Originally posted by MythLord
I mean, it kinda is. The barracks can house underneath them hundreds of beings and Maul was about to destroy them with a Force Scream back in his teenage years. Throwing statues isn't as impressive.

Involuntary expression of Sids-Tier potential =/ Something Maul can actually do in a fight.

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So him snapping them in half makes their size irrelevant? They're enormous, given the halves he tore off each appear to be as big as he is. Not to mention he's still restrained by the thing he's attempting to break out of.

He also tears apart the structures of his surroundings too.

They're very impressive feats given the utter ease he appears to do it with.

Nice deflection. Still completely fails to address the point:

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you have no quantifiable proof of the sh!t you're saying..

Where is it shown the statues are 50 feet tall?

It's kinda important given your assertion that:
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The statues in full are roughly 45-50 feet tall

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AncientPower
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@AP, what's your source that the Rakatans 'couldn't' kill Soa, and how do you reconcile that with the fact 8 battle-worn and tired randoms managed to even with him manipulating the power of devices around him?


It's in the OP. erm

Nice lowballing, unfortunately for you the official site states multiple groups of the greatest heroes both the republic and empire have to offer broke in and killed him. For all we know it's eight protags. Stop placing arbitrary limitations due to the capacity of the game on the actual canonical battle.


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AncientPower
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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Nice deflection. Still completely fails to address the point:


Where is it shown the statues are 50 feet tall?

It's kinda important given your assertion that:


Kbro, you're the densest 'debater' here. Soa was confirmed to be 30 foot like six years ago. More than that, just half of one of the statues is clearly as big as he is. I could even argue they're sixty feet tall if I wanted.


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DarthAnt66
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Nah, he's 5 feet tall at best.


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AncientPower
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Ant, what's your opinion on the OP?


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DarthAnt66
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It checks out. thumb up Soa's power is monstrous, yet Vitiate's is greater, and Valkorion's even more so.

I'll never understand people who look at Soa and conclude, "yeah, Darth Maul-tier."


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AncientPower
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Apparently rage-induced involuntary Force screams are the same degree of effort as not even gesturing. More than that, can we get an actual TK feat from Maul that compares? Shuttle feats are like Aryn Leneer tier for TOR.


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Selenial
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Originally posted by AncientPower
It's in the OP. erm

Nice lowballing, unfortunately for you the official site states multiple groups of the greatest heroes both the republic and empire have to offer broke in and killed him. For all we know it's eight protags. Stop placing arbitrary limitations due to the capacity of the game on the actual canonical battle.


My mistake, I thought it was obvious I was asking for a legitimate source that actually says what you're arguing it does. There are so many reasons that your logic is flawed I can't even be assed to list them all, but in brief:

You claim that despite all the power of the Rakatan Empire was incapable of killing Soa. Your claim is based on an in universe quote from a Jedi Master who's only heard 'references' of Soa, through ancient texts that have frequently shown to be outrageously exaggerative. Members of the Imperial Reclamation service (who are far more qualified on the subject) describe Rakatan inscriptions as 'indecipherable', but were able to gleam that the Eternity Vault was where they kept 'prisoners and technology they could not afford to release'. This is in direct contradiction of the quote you've posted in the post, but out of either bias or ignorance you're refusing to accept the fallibility of your source and instead hoping no one notices. How unlike you roll eyes (sarcastic)

If sources are fallible and contradictory, it then falls to basic logic to assess which claim is to be believed. Given, as you've said, the Rakatan Empire were capable of obliterating planets and even solar systems, the fact Soa died to a ****ing strike team serves as a perfect measuring stick. Even if all eight protagonists were the ones to kill him, four are essentially irrelevant when discussing power of this magnitude. The other four force users combined do not even come close to powers that the Rakatan empire had at their disposal, so the idea that they could take him out on home turf but the Rakatans could not is beyond farcical.

So basically, in short, all of your hype is bullshit, even if his feats are mildly impressive. Ant has done all he can for Soa wank, his respect thread has covered this entire topic already, and if anything you're legitimately lowering him in the minds of most people on this board.

Seriously, shrink back into retirement on this one.


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On a side note, let's keep pretending OPs are run by all the protagonists even though this is hardly supported in story, and would have to go to the absurd argument that the Republic and Sith Empire sent members of their faction undercover just to help shit arguments on a debating forum.

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AncientPower
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Yes, he's so wildly inaccurate that everything he claims is actually revealed to be accurate. laughing out loud

Oh and let's not sit here and pretend that the strike teams involved actually defeated him through conventional means and weren't using the environment to their advantage whatsoever.

But I love how your autism brigade has to completely divert the point of the OP, in that Vitiate > Soa is actually a fact. Meaning Vitiate is already beyond one of the most powerful entities in the mythos before his power massively increases.

Why don't you go flick your bean to a Cersei compilation and pretend you're nearly as intelligent as you think you are. In other words, let's not get to restraining order tiers of obsession. wink


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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
On a side note, let's keep pretending OPs are run by all the protagonists even though this is hardly supported in story, and would have to go to the absurd argument that the Republic and Sith Empire sent members of their faction undercover just to help shit arguments on a debating forum.


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Buried deep in the icy mountains of Belsavis, a prison housing an ancient and deadly entity has been uncovered. Both the Republic and the Empire understand the threat that the prison poses, and both sides now send their most powerful heroes to confront and eliminate this powerful foe once and for all.
―Star Wars: The Old Republic Official Website


I wonder who the most powerful heroes of the Republic and Empire could be? rolling on floor laughing


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Yes, he's so wildly inaccurate that everything he claims is actually revealed to be accurate. laughing out loud

Oh and let's not sit here and pretend that the strike teams involved actually defeated him through conventional means and weren't using the environment to their advantage whatsoever.

But I love how your autism brigade has to completely divert the point of the OP, in that Vitiate > Soa is actually a fact. Meaning Vitiate is already beyond one of the most powerful entities in the mythos before his power massively increases.

Why don't you go flick your bean to a Cersei compilation and pretend you're nearly as intelligent as you think you are. In other words, let's not get to restraining order tiers of obsession. wink


Ah yes, Soa did literally drown worlds in blood, you're right, that's 100% proven fact. Real biblical shit, surprised the writers went there. I mean, that's all he really said other than 'there's a warlord whose name I know'.

For the record, Soa was drawing power from Pylons around him, so to suggest them using the environment means he's definitively stronger than them is ludicrous. Furthermore, if the environment is such a big factor, then I guess your notion that the Rakata could not kill him completely falls apart.

As a side note, who the **** argues that Soa > Vitiate? I literally can't name one person who believes that. No one's arguing that Vitiate's superiority isn't certain, people are arguing that Soa is not 'one of the most powerful entities in the mythos' since the hype you're bringing is completely unfounded and his feats aren't anywhere near worthy of an accolade like that.

I love that it's this easy to bring you to your knees though, that was a pathetic attempt at a response. Almost as pathetic as 'I was a guy this whole time guys, obviously it was a joke trolololol' rolling on floor laughing


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Hear me out, AP. Maybe the argument is that Soa isn't really that relevant outside of dime a dozen accolades and feats(for TOR anyway)? Just a guess. Might want to calm down as well.
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I wonder who the most powerful heroes of the Republic and Empire could be? rolling on floor laughing


The source you're using doesn't apply in game and does not make sense in the context of said game. Using a reference that flat out contradicts the actual story presented is beyond asinine. Unless you can come up with an explanation that works in TOR besides, "It makes my argument look better," I don't care. It also does not say that these people work together cross faction, which is the only way your claim works.

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In addition to Freshest's point, Republic characters literally tell an admiral to 'keep the empire off [their] back', completely invalidating the argument that they worked together.


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If sources are fallible and contradictory, it then falls to basic logic to assess which claim is to be believed. Given, as you've said, the Rakatan Empire were capable of obliterating planets and even solar systems.


confused confused confused

Say what?


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nfactor1995
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Sees Soa's feats and accolades...concludes Maul tier....lol

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confused confused confused

Say what?


Zen, they could create power sources, capable of wiping out multi star systems.

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