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Azronger
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The prequel era being the prime of the Jedi

I'll make this thread open for posting any accolades for the prequel era being the prime of the Jedi. So far we have these:

"So, to see a Jedi in his prime, fighting in the prime of the Jedi I wanted to be a much more energetic and faster version of what we'd been doing."

--George Lucas
Episode I Fights Featurette
https://youtu.be/6NyxljZNC8g



"This is the heyday, the golden age of Jedi that exists in the world we have now in Episode II."

--George Lucas
Episode II Lightsaber Techniques Featurette
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0hPK6Mt9blw



These masters of the Force grow and thrive alongside the Republic through the ages, dealing with crises that threaten the Republic and its citizens while maintaining peace and harmony in the galaxy.

The Clone Wars Campaign Guide



The miniseries is set three years into Anakin’s training under Obi-Wan — something he promised the dying Qui-Gon he would do — at a peacetime period where the Jedi are at the height of their power and many feel Anakin is destined to do an enormous amount of good for the universe.




"That the Sith pulled off such a monumental deception back when the Jedi were at their most powerful... Let's just say I am keeping my eyes open for trouble."

--Luke Skywalker
Book of the Sith


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Kurk
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Explains why Darth Bane is such trash.


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It's really not surprising considering they had 1000 years of no Sith.

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ares834
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"Even more so than in the Clone Wars, these are the days (TotJ/KotOR) of the Jedi in their prime."

yes


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DarthAnt66
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Azronger
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Where are these from, Ant?


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DarthAnt66
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KotOR Campaign Guide (not to be confused with the Prima Guide), 2008.


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Azronger
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Been retconned, it seems. The Clone Wars Campaign Guide is from 2009.


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DarthAnt66
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Lmfao that quote doesn't constitute a retcon even in you're doing Neph-tier reaching.


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Azronger
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The quote says the Jedi grew alongside the Republic throughout the ages. Pretty straightforward to me.


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DarthAnt66
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There's no direct contradiction. Both quotes can function together.

The Jedi grow as the Republic grows. First off, no where does it state this grow is related to power. It can be related to knowledge, wisdom, etc.

More importantly, the Jedi can grow throughout the years but TotJ and KotOR still be the peak of their power due to the fact the Order was, immediately thereafter, destroyed to just a few dozen members and rebuilt from scratch.

While they did indeed rebuild, it's apparent, from the KotOR quote, that the Jedi Order never again reached the pinnacle of combat-related prowess as they did during the Sith Wars, and that makes sense.

Tell me why a Jedi Order after a thousand years of peace and a galactic dark-side shroud hindering them would be better than a Jedi Order in a constant century of warfare and battle.

Truly nothing states the PT Jedi Order is the best. I have no clue where that nonsense came from, nor is it remotely conveyed in the actual films.


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The republic was all but thriving during the Clone Wars. If you take the quote literally, it's factually wrong. If you take it figuratively it's generic and unspecific.

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DarthAnt66
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quote:
At its height, the Jedi Order encompassed hundreds of different species, all strong in the Force. Kit Fisto was a striking example of a nonhuman Jedi, with large, unblinking eyes and a gathered tangle of flexible tentacle-tresses extending from his head.


The same can be said for TotJ, KotOR, SWTOR, NSW, etc.

What people don't realize is a lot of these quotes, Lucas' especially, generically apply to the Old Republic Jedi Order in its entirety, not a specific time-frame of it.


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NewGuy01
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Nah, most of them seem to be talking post-Ruusan.

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Nah, most of them seem to be talking post-Ruusan.

With the exception of the relatively new and still arguable Luke one, I disagree.


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The Kotor CG places the era above the CW Jedi Order, but The CW CG also says that the Order is at decline because of the war, so it doesn't mean that TPM-AoTC can't be the prime of the jedi.


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Man, I'm lucky I just turned twenty-one, now I can drink when these arguments start poppin up lmao


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Only a f-ucked up country like 'murica would allow drinking at such an old age.

I was an alocoholic before you could legaly drink.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What people don't realize is a lot of these quotes, Lucas' especially, generically apply to the Old Republic Jedi Order in its entirety, not a specific time-frame of it.


Count me among their number. Elucidate, please.

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DarthAnt66
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It just doesn't follow within the context.

The Jedi Order we see at the start of TPM is essentially the Jedi Order. Lucas has never reportedly drafted (by the time of AotC, at least) that, in earlier times, the Jedi were different than as presented in TPM. Even if he did, obviously it has never been made public. Thus, it makes no sense for Lucas to be comparing the strength of the prequel trilogy Jedi to non-existent eras of Jedi that came before. As far as we can tell, the non-created and created Jedi eras all essentially the same anyway - timeless, many in number, and functioning as galactic peacekeepers, like seen in TPM. In fact, the only difference may be that, over time, the Jedi have become arrogant (ex. Mace Windu), and, as noted throughout the first two prequel films, blinded by a shroud of the dark-side. Mace even notes that "our ability to use the Force is diminished" to Yoda in AotC. So, regarding these quotes of the "golden age," it's blatantly comparing the Jedi Order as a legitimate institution with 10,000 fully trained Jedi Knights running around to the original trilogy, the only actual other era, in which Lucas infamously stated it's "old men" and "untrained kids" fighting.

It's really just what makes the most sense.


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