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Josh_Alexander
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Yeah, because these are compatible ideas:

1. All the diverse lifeforms appeared as they are in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

2. All the diverse lifeforms evolved from a common ancestor over billions of years.

Right?

What?

The 2nd. One.

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What are you confused about?

They are incompatible claims.

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What are you confused about?

They are incompatible claims.

They are. So what's your point exactly?

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^ That Creationism and Evolution do not sync up as you suggested

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Nevermind, wow.

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^ That Creationism and Evolution do not sync up as you suggested

And what makes you believe that?

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Are you serious? For the reasons that Leech just went over. This is the Omniscient argument all over again man.

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Lol. Don't take the bait. Let him make a cogent argument explaining himself before attempting to engage him.

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We tried that in the Sam Harris thread. He just asks more questions.

It reminds of the David Duchovny scene in Zoolander.

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HONESTLY!

I don't understand what you guys mean by Evolution vs Creation.

Creation is the theory that a supreme being created everything.

Evolution is the theory that states that creatures adapt to their environment which results in physical and mental modification in the long term.

Where do this theories collide exactly? That's what i don't understand.

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HONESTLY!

I don't understand what you guys mean by Evolution vs Creation.

Creation is the theory that a supreme being created everything.

Evolution is the theory that states that creatures adapt to their environment which results in physical and mental modification in the long term.

Where do this theories collide exactly? That's what i don't understand.

Timelines for one. Creationism says what 6000 years or so while evolution says billions. That's a huge discrepancy.

If you take the Bible literally it was 6 days.

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Timelines for one. Creationism says what 6000 years or so while evolution says billions. That's a huge discrepancy.

If you take the Bible literally it was 6 days.

I'll base my argument on the Christian concept of Creation since it's the one am most familiar with:

God created the Earth in 6 days according to the Genesis.

However, we must analyze. Are 6 days literal? No. Not really.

The bible is a very metaphorical book. Furthermore, if we see it in a Godly perspective, time isn't a thing.

God isn't affected/influenced by time.

For him 14Billion years mean nothing.

Now, i see it this way:

How would you explain a being whose rationality isn't that great that the Earth was created along with everything in 4 billion years?

The first humans weren't even familiar with the concept of time. They only saw the sun going up and down. So how do you expect them to understand that Earth was created in BILLIONS OF YEARS?

Now, where is it stated in the Bible that evolution isn't a thing exactly?

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I'll base my argument on the Christian concept of Creation since it's the one am most familiar with:

God created the Earth in 6 days according to the Genesis.

However, we must analyze. Are 6 days literal? No. Not really.

The bible is a very metaphorical book. Furthermore, if we see it in a Godly perspective, time isn't a thing.

God isn't affected/influenced by time.

For him 14Billion years mean nothing.

Now, i see it this way:

How would you explain a being whose rationality isn't that great that the Earth was created along with everything in 4 billion years?

The first humans weren't even familiar with the concept of time. They only saw the sun going up and down. So how do you expect them to understand that Earth was created in BILLIONS OF YEARS?

Now, where is it stated in the Bible that evolution isn't a thing exactly?

We always run back to the "it's not literal, it's a metaphor" if it has been proven bogus by science. If this is just a book of metaphors, then why not just read Aesop's fables and be done with it?

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We always run back to the "it's not literal, it's a metaphor" if it has been proven bogus by science. If this is just a book of metaphors, then why not just read Aesop's fables and be done with it?

You take it as if people from back then had the mental, technological, and rational level as we do.

Try explain a kid about how earth was created in 4 billion years and he won't even understand what a Billion is.

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You take it as if people from back then had the mental, technological, and rational level as we do.

Try explain a kid about how earth was created in 4 billion years and he won't even understand what a Billion is.

This is arrogant imo. There were geniuses back then just as there is now. Without going into specifics, you could get a person to understand a longer span of time than six days.

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This is arrogant imo. There were geniuses back then just as there is now. Without going into specifics, you could get a person to understand a longer span of time than six days.

Considering they didn't had Carbon 14 testers back then I don't see how they could imagine Billions of years.

Even so, the Bible is clear when saying that 1 day is 1000s of years for God, and 1000s of years is 1 day.

God isn't affected/limited by time. Which makes it obvious that 6 days must not be taken literal.

Arrogance would be to think that an Omnipotent being sees time the way you do.

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So he's subbing "creation" for "creationism"? Lol

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So he's subbing "creation" for "creationism"? Lol

Do you know what creationism means?

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Do you know what creationism means?

Not really. I was just searching for platypus porn and stumbled into this thread.

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Not really. I was just searching for platypus porn and stumbled into this thread.

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