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cs_zoltan
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Anakin needs a better teammate

For what?

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So, how that works:

Legends has established since the Jedi Academy books that a Force-user can't just go searching through another's deep fears, emotions, and experiences without resistance. All Force-user's have a Force shield guarding their mind that protects them from said probing. This Force shield, as Luke learned when he tried to probe Kyp Durron and was was hurled across a room, is a reflection of their full potential. So, in the case of Zannah, she will be unable to capitalize on any of Anakin's true emotional demons, since there is no way in hell she will be capable of overcoming that Force shield. Further, if she tries, she might be instantly destroyed, considering how ****ed up Luke got simply trying to gauge Durron's power. Could Zannah still use Anakin's surface thoughts against him? Sure, but post-mid Invisible Hand fight, there's nothing to even use against Anakin. So, yeah, Zannah's sorcery would be entirely ineffective against someone like Anakin.

Isn't Zannah's sorcery explicitly different from this rule? This isn't just generic telepathy, that was made blatantly obvious in Rule of Two.

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I just don't think it came into play since she's dealing with characters less powerful than herself.

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Will need to watch

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I just don't think it came into play since she's dealing with characters less powerful than herself.

I agree with Antoine on Anakin > Bane in physicality. However, I'd say it's due to Anakin's strength and speed rather than just saying it's his youth although it helps.

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Strength displayed by Anakin surpasses the perfect, human peak 25-year old many, many times lol. Age plays pathetically small role here.

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Anakin's the physically strongest human in Star Wars.

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Anakin's the physically strongest human in Star Wars.

Trying to think of a time where Grandmaster Luke used physical augmentation for his strength.....

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Nothing comparable to nearly killing Dooku in three strikes by sheer physical dominance.

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Nothing comparable to nearly killing Dooku in three strikes by sheer physical dominance.

Savage sending Dooku flying across the room twice with a lightsaber clash proves that Anakin isn't the only one

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Savage used TK to do that, rofl.

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Anakin's the physically strongest human in Star Wars.

I mean, except for entities, who is stronger anyway?

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I put "human" in case Zenwolf mentions the Zillo Beast or something.

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lmfao

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So, how that works:

Legends has established since the Jedi Academy books that a Force-user can't just go searching through another's deep fears, emotions, and experiences without resistance. All Force-user's have a Force shield guarding their mind that protects them from said probing. This Force shield, as Luke learned when he tried to probe Kyp Durron and was was hurled across a room, is a reflection of their full potential. So, in the case of Zannah, she will be unable to capitalize on any of Anakin's true emotional demons, since there is no way in hell she will be capable of overcoming that Force shield. Further, if she tries, she might be instantly destroyed, considering how ****ed up Luke got simply trying to gauge Durron's power. Could Zannah still use Anakin's surface thoughts against him? Sure, but post-mid Invisible Hand fight, there's nothing to even use against Anakin. So, yeah, Zannah's sorcery would be entirely ineffective against someone like Anakin.

is that something that's an established rule tho? I feel like too many force users have been probed, had their thoughts read or straight up mind whammied with no backlash for it to be established. The kyp scene seems like more of the exception than the rule.

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Savage used TK to do that, rofl.

I think he meant the time Savage disarmed Dooku and sent him flying back against a wall with a saberstaff strike.

https://youtu.be/7s3x8ox2ToE?t=1m19s

Savage isn't human though.

Wouldn't put this past ROTS Anakin considering how he floors Mace during both a bladelock and their duel in the ROTS videogame.

Nick Gillard and Hayden worked on the game a lot and I think I saved the quote of Gillard basically saying how Anakin VS Mace in the game is what would likely happen.

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Wait here it is:

"On a movie, obviously I have a script. I know the story of the movie. I know how the characters are feeling, why they're fighting, where they've got to go. I think it's going to be pretty much the same on this game. The sets are all the same. The characters are the same. I'm going to take the same approach-I'm just going to get it much more detailed because it's much tighter than it is on the movie, and there's so much more time with the game."

^ All I'm missing is where it's from. Saved the quote from Ant although I trust him.

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is that something that's an established rule tho? I feel like too many force users have been probed, had their thoughts read or straight up mind whammied with no backlash for it to be established. The kyp scene seems like more of the exception than the rule.

Almost all instances can be reconciled / explained, I imagine.

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I think he meant the time Savage disarmed Dooku and sent him flying back against a wall with a saberstaff strike.

https://youtu.be/7s3x8ox2ToE?t=1m19s

No, that's telekinesis.

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No, that's telekinesis.

Really? I wouldn't be able to tell because of the close ups.

Lol About Dooku getting disarmed, reminds me of Dark Disciple when Vos casually disarms Dooku with telekinesis.

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Really? I wouldn't be able to tell because of the close ups.

Lol About Dooku getting disarmed, reminds me of Dark Disciple when Vos casually disarms Dooku with telekinesis.

The angle at which Savage strikes makes it extremely unlikely for it to be because of his lightsaber, especially considering the way Dooku flies as if he's just been Force pushed:

1. https://i.imgur.com/kUuSCx7.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/IlDJfAn.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/trUVtkp.png

Dooku seems to be gaining ground in the air, or at least maintaining it, despite the angle Opress striking it being directed quite downwards. It doesn't match up. The main indicator it being telekinesis, though, is the sound effect accompanying it, which is totally different to two lightsabers clashing, but rather is similar to one of the sound effects used for Force push:

a. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDTDCRmYM9Q&t=3m32s
b. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKr...Os&t=22m49s
c. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKr...Os&t=26m58s
d. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDTDCRmYM9Q&t=0m54s

The sound effect is overlapped with two lightsabers colliding, hence why it's hard to tell, since both happen simultaneously.

But, overall, it makes more sense than Savage doing something like this and never again showing such level of physical strength.

Compared to Savage utilizing telekinesis in conjecture with his Force attacks, which he consistently does throughout the fight.

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