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How much of a factor does physical ability play in a duel?
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TenebrousWay
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Star Wars: Ant Edition RPG

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Star Wars: Ant Edition RPG


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Anyway ant, if we use your point system, wouldn't it make sense that Sith Dooku in his 20 year old body would need to spend fewer force points on residual augmentation (endurance, physical strength, etc) than his 80 year-old self? Yes all users augment to unnatural levels of strength and speed, but surely they build upon what they have already. Savage Oppress is already strong enough biologically to where he doesn't have to spend as many force points on speed and strength than someone like Jocasta Nu who needs to compensate for her biological handicaps in addition to maintaining "combat speed and strength".

So obviously there is a reason why jedi aren't just fat fu*ks who depend solely on force augmentation as combatants.


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I got a chuckle out of Dooku's age being the cause of his poorly state in the TCW fight. Not, yeno, the fact he was poisoned by a witch with power to rival Sidious.


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Yeah but then there's the argument. The older Force User has much large Force reserves to compensate and thus they can match the younger guy cause he doesn't have the bigger Force reserves and thus the older one can win because he's more skilled or something.

Least that's what I've seen, which to a point I can agree with but not fully so.


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Anyway ant, if we use your point system, wouldn't it make sense that Sith Dooku in his 20 year old body would need to spend fewer force points on residual augmentation (endurance, physical strength, etc) than his 80 year-old self? Yes all users augment to unnatural levels of strength and speed, but surely they build upon what they have already. Savage Oppress is already strong enough biologically to where he doesn't have to spend as many force points on speed and strength than someone like Jocasta Nu who needs to compensate for her biological handicaps in addition to maintaining "combat speed and strength".

So obviously there is a reason why jedi aren't just fat fu*ks who depend solely on force augmentation as combatants.

As I already said, sure, but it's not at all what the novel is discussing, nor has that ever made any difference in any fight in the history of Legends that I can think of. It's a marginal difference that, when considered to the grand scheme of things and the host of Force-users that it would apply to, is rendered irrelevant, since ultimately the energy being put in to reset these elderly individuals to normal human levels is marginal compared to normal human levels to super-powered Force-users in the Legends continuity. Compared to Anakin's might, a peak non-Force sensitive human's body is crumbling just as fast as an elderly one.

Generally speaking, I imagine Force users simply adapt and naturally relocate their power to handle this small aging issue regardless by subtle shifts in their fighting style and the like. Take Qui-Gon, for example, who backed off the acrobatics as he began to age, and instead seemed to focus more on a more strength-based fighting style.

I stress again what you're discussing here is completely seperate from anything involving the ROTS novel or TCW, and also really any book ever, and is much more in the hypothetical realm of things.


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Yeah but then there's the argument. The older Force User has much large Force reserves to compensate and thus they can match the younger guy cause he doesn't have the bigger Force reserves and thus the older one can win because he's more skilled or something.

Least that's what I've seen, which to a point I can agree with but not fully so.

While I know you didn't come up with that, that's just outright wrong, tbh.


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I got a chuckle out of Dooku's age being the cause of his poorly state in the TCW fight. Not, yeno, the fact he was poisoned by a witch with power to rival Sidious.
Talzin just said that the poison would cloud his senses; not sure how that would affect his endurance


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Anyway ant, if we use your point system, wouldn't it make sense that Sith Dooku in his 20 year old body would need to spend fewer force points on residual augmentation (endurance, physical strength, etc) than his 80 year-old self? Yes all users augment to unnatural levels of strength and speed, but surely they build upon what they have already. Savage Oppress is already strong enough biologically to where he doesn't have to spend as many force points on speed and strength than someone like Jocasta Nu who needs to compensate for her biological handicaps in addition to maintaining "combat speed and strength".

So obviously there is a reason why jedi aren't just fat fu*ks who depend solely on force augmentation as combatants.


Very few people will be able to even stand up to Anakin's physical strength regardless of their age.


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While I know you didn't come up with that, that's just outright wrong, tbh.


/Shrug

Well I've seen it being used and from what I recall, no one really disputed it.


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/Shrug

Well I've seen it being used and from what I recall, no one really disputed it.


Force reserves should be the amount of total Force power (potential + applicable) not being used for passive functions (ex. Force sense) and, if in combat, active ones (ex. augmented speed).

Anakin's Force reserves would be immeasurable, whereas someone like Obi-Wan's less-so.


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Anakin's Force reserves would be immeasurable, whereas someone like Obi-Wan's less-so.


They are. In the ROTS novel I think I remember Sidious noting in the opera scene how Anakin's Force reserves were seemingly endless.


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Why was Kenobi able to handle Anakin longer than Dooku? It can't be all form dependent, can it? Obi-Wan is at most on the same level as Dooku force-reserve wise, right?


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Anakin was severely mentally handicapped and emotionally unstable, weakening his ability to fight or use the Force, making him far inferior to how he was on the Invisible Hand or Operation Knightfall. This, added onto the fact Obi-Wan and Anakin have spent thousands of hours sparring and have forms that perfectly match each other, allowed Obi-Wan to simply prolong the fight versus Anakin until Anakin's emotion fully consumed him.


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Why was Kenobi able to handle Anakin longer than Dooku? It can't be all form dependent, can it? Obi-Wan is at most on the same level as Dooku force-reserve wise, right?

PIS, like all of Kenobi's victories

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Now that I think about it:

Kar-Vastor VS Sidious in a physical only round at the same speed would be interesting.

Thinking back on it, the Forcecast wasn't wrong when they said Sidious wouldn't be as effective without physical augmentation although I'd still say he's capable.


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