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Stoic
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Originally posted by Insane Titan
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Senrty said BM was pushing him to his limit. Fair enough if it want a single punch but he was still fighting the avengers.

The whole dive bomb point is mute for a couple of reasons.
1.No Flight in this match
2.Sentry dive bombed from space. WW did it from a lot closer distance, plus Sentry could barely stand after it showing the force/impact that was used.

All true.

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I meant no bracers or lasso.

Without her bracers, it makes her even more powerful. If the OP truly said this, Wonder Woman stomps with ease.

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Without her bracers, it makes her even more powerful. If the OP truly said this, Wonder Woman stomps with ease.

I can agree that she'd stomp Ultimate Hulk with ease. This is the Rebirth era. All or most of that trash from the DCnu was tossed out with the crappy versions of the Rebirth heroes wasn't it?

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Originally posted by Insane Titan
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Senrty said BM was pushing him to his limit. Fair enough if it want a single punch but he was still fighting the avengers.

The whole dive bomb point is mute for a couple of reasons.
1.No Flight in this match
2.Sentry dive bombed from space. WW did it from a lot closer distance, plus Sentry could barely stand after it showing the force/impact that was used.

I agree that Blue Marvel also wasn't 100% - but neither of them were, and Sentry was clearly holding back due to the whole "I can relate to your situation, please stop", and still had the advantage before he stopped. It's not a 'one punch' any way you look at it.

I missed the whole 'no flight' part - good point. But Blue Marvel still doesn't have the feats to compete, especially since his slug fest record isn't stellar - his fight with King Hyperion is a pretty big *, since he lost at first, before he went 'all out'. And if he needs to go all-out for such a shitty character, it doesn't paint a good picture for his capabilities here. Then he was at a distadvantage against a holding back 'normal hero' Sentry, who wasn't going all "WWH" - and hero Sentry is pretty shitty. He also traded punches with Namor, who gives him some lip service:
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...6/3442689-1.png
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He's Namor-ish in strength, imo, which is sub-Wonder Woman.

This is of course, ignoring her also vastly superior skill, speed and durability, which makes it 10/10.

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Without her bracers, it makes her even more powerful. If the OP truly said this, Wonder Woman stomps with ease.

She's not amped of course, in this thread at least.

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BM > Namor strengthwise. Namor more like Wonder Man level. BM seems closer to Hulk,Thor.

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BM > Namor strengthwise. Namor more like Wonder Man level. BM seems closer to Hulk,Thor.

that's without even mentioning how namor said that he hits as hard as both of them.

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BM > Namor strengthwise. Namor more like Wonder Man level. BM seems closer to Hulk,Thor.

Blue Marvel > Wonderman > Namor

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Even if Namor can survive in space, hard for me to imagine him pushing away a meteor the size of Arkansas.

Maybe he can, but really hard to imagine. Seems like they usually reserve feats like those for upper tier strong men.

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BM > Namor strengthwise. Namor more like Wonder Man level. BM seems closer to Hulk,Thor.

He's probably stronger than Thor in terms of lifting strength. Has Thor ever one shot the Hulk? Even if it was Ultimate Hulk. Ultimate Hulk was still able to evenly contend with 616 Hulk. It's not everyday that a character is able to one shot the Hulk when he's operating at optimal levels.

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Even if Namor can survive in space, hard for me to imagine him pushing away a meteor the size of Arkansas.

Maybe he can, but really hard to imagine. Seems like they usually reserve feats like those for upper tier strong men.

Pagan would have beaten the life out of Namor. Namor would have never gotten up from King Hyperion's sneak attack, which was cheap asf.

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He's probably stronger than Thor in terms of lifting strength. Has Thor ever one shot the Hulk? Even if it was Ultimate Hulk. Ultimate Hulk was still able to evenly contend with 616 Hulk. It's not everyday that a character is able to one shot the Hulk when he's operating at optimal levels.

Maybe. Doubt it.

One shotting the Hulk is not a requirement for being considered strong.

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Maybe. Doubt it.

One shotting the Hulk is not a requirement for being considered strong.

Hulk is the most durable herald in marvel, so one shotting hulk is a big feat

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Stoic
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Maybe. Doubt it.

One shotting the Hulk is not a requirement for being considered strong.

What about beating Pagan? You can't be seriously considering that King Hyperion was some mid meta on the Things level?

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Never actually showed him beating pagan

Concerning his fight with sentry writer even said the negative energy being released into the earth was messing with sentrys powers

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Never actually showed him beating pagan

Concerning his fight with sentry writer even said the negative energy being released into the earth was messing with sentrys powers

Never actually showed him dropping the pyramid either. It was among the accomplishments or tasks that he completed.

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I meant no bracers or lasso.

Wonder Woman is MORE powerful without her bracers. She would win 9/10 there.

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I thought there was context with the Ultimate Hulk showing K.M?

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Never actually showed him dropping the pyramid either. It was among the accomplishments or tasks that he completed.

Again you don�t know if he had help or used his intelligence and used weapons. What we saw of the pagan fight was one punch...one

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I thought there was context with the Ultimate Hulk showing K.M?

Yeah they were altered by ultimate reed. A lot of their memories were gone. We don�t know if that was the extent of his alterations

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Here's the full "fight". Again zero context behind it. We have no clue if he even beat him or if he did...how he did it

https://i.imgur.com/1haEHab.jpg

Lets look it into it a bit deeper. This is from the same issue where Blue Marvel struggled against King Hyperion. Pagan, true Pagan is a lot more powerful then KH. One hell of a stretch there

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