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In EU with the opponent's passive force barriers in place? With the definition of "ragdolling" being the state of an opponent completely unable to break free or fight back?
Probably B-team members, Ki Adi Mundi, Late TCW Kenobi.
When Dooku ragdolls, I don't believe it's due to raw strength or overwhelming force. It's due to him being so well refined in the application of the force to the point where he can find and exploit the smallest flaws in an opponent's defenses.
__________________ No, Robin. I won't stop. Not now, not ever. I am the thing that keeps you up at night. The evil that haunts every dark corner of your mind. I will never rest and neither will you.
In Legends terms, attacking by surprise / speed, as in the case of Dooku, circumvents the need to overcome the Greater Force barrier. Dooku simply destroys the Lesser Force barrier and has free reign to do whatever he wants to do with Obi-Wan, which is quite explicitly conveyed in the ROTS junior novel. Of course, the longer Dooku has his energies entrapped around Obi-Wan, the longer Obi-Wan has to summon the necessary power to break free, so it should not be a surprise Dooku quickly hurled Obi-Wan against a wall rather than maintained a telekinetic grasp like Revan did against the coalition strike team. Plus, a maintained hold would likely be taxing for Dooku as well, although that issue seems much more pronounced in Canon.
Speaking of Canon, I don't see any indication of any innate difference from "general telekinesis" and "ragdolling" besides the added difficulty of simply throwing around a human body and, as just stated, the energy expenditure factor, as shown with Maul's tiring / difficulty to maintain hold over the Seventh Sister for an extended period of time in Rebels.
Last edited by DarthAnt66 on Nov 5th, 2017 at 08:59 PM
My friend, do you fail to see how a sustained grip over another Force user that goes seconds without being dispelled differs from a ballistic, momentary action such as a Force push? I do not know what to tell you in this case
False. You used Maul's non-canon feat against Sidious to make a point about ragdolling. Dooku threw Obi-Wan to incapacitate him, which is much more effective than simply Force pushing him somewhere. Otherwise there is no reason to levitate an opponent for longer than he did.