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So far Kenshiro can:
1. Avoid their attacks easily and continuously hit them until they break and die for good.
2.Same as above but disarm the Vikings with his techniques and kill them with their own weapons.
3.Use the Gento Koken to destroy the Undeads at a cellular level.
4.Absorb the Life Force of the Vikings, killing them in the process
5.Use his Ki-shield so they cannot approch Kenshiro and will die meeting the Ki-shield
6.Avoid their attack and blast them back with their own weapons (arrows, spears, whatever...) or with his Ki-blasts.
7.Use Chin-Na techniques to redirect their own attacks so they impale themselves on their own weapons
8.Use the Musou Tensei which is an auto-win in all cases.
I guess that Harald doesn't have his gear (armor & sword) because the OP restricted it.
I would like to see how Harald does anything with that restriction imposed by the OP.
You must really like Ken of FOTNS, because you don't seem to be able to think objectively.
Harald is immortal due to a curse that was placed on him. How is Ken going to kill the unkillable? He isn't Thanos or some deity of death. Thor hit him with Mjolnir, and broke his wrists. I need a citation of Harald being defeated, because maybe I missed something?
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LOL.
Try to discredit me.
Immortal in the sense he lives as a zombie.
Not immortal in the sense he cannot die at all.
He is destructible and Kenshiro directly manipulate the life force if he wants to.
Either ways, or Kenshiro destroy the shell aka Harald's body which kills him or Kenshiro directly destroy Harald's life force.
Which doesn't matter.
And ?
Mjolnir is more durable than Thor.
Harald is more durable than Thor.
You should read the story, Thor was able to strike off Harald's arm when he was amped by Strange's spell.
Harald's durability is finite and he rots.
He can be destroyed and he cannot regenerate which means he can be killed.
Now address the 8 points I have being properly or yield.
Of course if you use baseless speculations aka your opinion instead of raw information from the comic itself, your claims will be automically dismissed.
None of those points matter. Harald is protected by the curse, he isn't going to die, and Ken isn't going to make portions of his body explode while manipulating Harald's life force energies, because Harald doesn't have any life energies to manipulate. What will end up happening is that Kenny is going to break his arms punching Harald, and then immediately go into shock at which point Harald with dine on his entrails. Your points are silly, because Harald is unlike any being that Kenny has ever faced before.
He is completely immortal. I don't know where you're getting your info from but you're wrong. What next? Kenny beats the life out of Mangog too?
When did Harald get his ass kicked? If you aren't able to come up with anything you are speculating yourself. Besides the fact, that a thread like this has no choice but to have a lot of speculation. Your logic on the matter makes no sense, and according to several posters thus far, I am not the only one to see this.
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They do.
I see that you cannot address them so your concession is accepted.
The curse amp him, protect him against most spells and trapped his life force into his body making him unable to age and die so he is a zombie. He isn't unkillable.
Ah Strawman.
He does have.
You didn't read the story.
Strange said that the spell trapped Harald's life force inside his body, twice.
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Based on ?
He is way too technical and quick to break himself on Harald and he can use Toki's techniques to redirect Harald's attack on himself.
Rofl.
And Kenshiro is a being that Harald never faced before too.
Double standards much ?
The truth is that Harald is way too slow and unskilled to even land an attack on Kenshiro and the Musou Tensei makes him literally untouchable.
He is a zombie. Destroyable then killable.
I have read the comics and it is obvious you didn't.
You are butthurt for some reason coming from a discussion in another thread and now you are trying to challenge by throwing bravados and claims that you cannot back-up.
You are going off-topic.
Mangog isn't in that thread nor it does matter.
That's called a Red Herring.
He got his ass kicked by an amped Thor in the last volume of the mini-series.
You should know if you had read the story.
His arm was blown off by Thor wich mean that either ways his durability is finite, especially because he is rotten.
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You are throwing an opinion. That's useless in a debate.
Posters whom are an authority in the comics, or in the manga ? No ?
It doesn't matter then.
That's Argumentum Ad Populum, that's not a valid argument.
Thanks for using my own scan and not understanding what you are readinG
Thanks for the info. You're correct as well about me not knowing Harold's weaknesses. I didn't fully read the story.
I have a question though.
Was Harald tampered with at any point during the story? I ask because in his first meeting with Thor, which was just after his origin story, Thor's every blow seemed to be redirected back at him. Chi would still be a form of physical contact. So my question is what happened that made him vulnerable to physical attack? Was it something that Dr. Strange did?
If not, and he can be destroyed by blowing him to dust, I'd guess that you could probably get a firing horde together, and shoot him to pieces right? But that's still despite that without any tampering whatsoever, he was invulnerable to most forms of physical attack. The Chi attacks would still be forms of physical interaction. There is a chance that those attack could be bounced back at Ken, and if that happens, he would actually doom himself.
This all hinges on what if anything that Dr. Strange may, or may not have done. Do you know? If he simply has no defense against Ken, then sure he'd be pieces on the floor, but still existing.
I'll check on this later gotta crash.
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This is something that was brought to my attention by another knowledgeable poster. Something that Reality Warper failed to take into account or even mention.
"Dr. Strange needed the blood of the descendants of the shaman in order for him to amp up Thor w/o it, its practically impossible to hurt Harald and the last time I checked Kenshiro is not a descendant of the shaman who cursed Harald".
Does this new information mean that Kenshiro may indeed end up killing himself by just hitting a fully powered Harald? I believe that it does.
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Teah.
*sigh*
Attacking Harald or his crew doesn't redirect the attacks to the attacker.
Thor broke his bones because he hit Harald with Mjolnir and Mjolnir is more durable than Thor and Harald is extremely durable too.
Thor was the weakest link.
Chi is spiritual energy/life force.
You are making a definist fallacy.
Strange used a spell on his team that made them as strong and as durable as Harald.
Harald's durability is finite.
Definist fallacy again.
That's not what happen in the story, the attacks doesn't bounce back at the attacker so I don't have to address a made-up question. Nothing will bounce back at Kenshiro.
I have bring 8 points that have still to be addressed.
I will bring a 9th point.
9) Kenshiro hit Harald's (the remaining ones) pressure points making him explode.
You see it's easy. Harald cannot pretend to have some sort of immunity against Kenshiro's techniques if this wasn't show in the story.
Batman has beaten Solomon Grundy by attacking his pressure points despite him being a zombie too after all... So Harald cannot pretend having some sort of immunity to it if it's hasn't been shown.
Check the rational wiki too.
Do you mean the guy wanking the featless Harald senselessly around the internet despite this one being featless and bringing Harald's empowerment out-of-context ? Ok.
The point he bring is... Pointless.
The fight against Harald has shown four things:
A) Harald can be overpowered.
B) Harald can be destroyed by his own weapons.
C) The purpose of the spell was just to amp the weapons and the users by amping their durability and strength (for the unliving)
D) Harald's durability is finite and he cannot regenerate or heal from his wounds.
Nope. Because hitting Harald doesn't harm the people attacking him.
You are, purposely or not, taking Thor first fight against him out-of-context.
You have still to address the 10 points I have bring:
So far Kenshiro can:
1. Avoid their attacks easily and continuously hit them until they break and die for good.
2.Same as above but disarm the Vikings with his techniques and kill them with their own weapons.
3.Use the Gento Koken to destroy the Undeads at a cellular level.
4.Absorb the Life Force of the Vikings, killing them in the process
5.Use his Ki-shield so they cannot approch Kenshiro and will die meeting the Ki-shield
6.Avoid their attack and blast them back with their own weapons (arrows, spears, whatever...) or with his Ki-blasts.
7.Use Chin-Na techniques to redirect their own attacks so they impale themselves on their own weapons
8.Use Chin-Na and projection techniques so Harald remaining limbs break and get ripped off his rotten body.
9.Use the Musou Tensei which is an auto-win in all cases.
10.Kenshiro hit Harald's (the remaining ones) pressure points making him explode.
You see it's easy. Harald cannot pretend to have some sort of immunity against Kenshiro's techniques if this wasn't show in the story.
Batman has beaten Solomon Grundy by attacking his pressure points despite him being a zombie too after all... So Harald cannot pretend having some sort of immunity to it if it's hasn't been shown.
I guess that Harald doesn't have his gear (armor & sword) because the OP restricted it.
I would like to see how Harald does anything with that restriction imposed by the OP. smile
By the way:
Harald has only one remaining functional arm and he was already way too slow and unskilled to even land an attack on Kenshiro before.
You failed to answer the question What did Stephen Strange do to Harald to make him vulnerable to attack? Don't give me some long drawn out explanation that has nothing to do with the question. Just answer the question.
Until you do that, I don't see how Ken can hurt Harald. And who gives a crap about his Invulnerability being finite. Ken's power isn't infinite. Answer the question or stop posting.
I see no reason to answer these 10 points that you made up as some impossible stumbling block, when you have yet to prove that Ken can even hurt a fully powered non tampered with Harald.
Your entire argument is to discredit any or all irrefutable evidence, which makes you believe that you can simply ignore it. No wonder people are putting you on ignore. I'll be doing so as well, because you don't seem capable of getting out of your own way.
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He amped Thor and the Shaman breed...
I thought you have read the story but in fact you didn't.
That's your problem. Your opinion is meaningless because Harald can be hurt and I showed more ways to beat him than just using brute force...
We do because that means that considering that every damage he takes, even the little one, is permanent, that means that even the weakest attack that affect him will end by destroying him if they come in number.
Yeah, just his potential but that's not the point I am trying to make and like usual you are moving the goalpost because your kindergarten-level debating cannot keep-up with the discussion at hand.
I showed at the minimum 10 ways for Kenshiro to end with Harald.
On your side you showed 0 arguments for Harald to win and you still don't get what happened in the story neither.
I did it, again.
I've explained it to you in my previous posts too.
You should know that having a debate isn't schooling you about the two characters in the thread, which is the case here, because your knowledge about them is non-existant.
My 10 points doesn't rely on brute force for the majority of them but the two whom rely on it take in consideration the fact that Harald's durability is finite and that he cannot heal from his wounds thus he will erode until he breaks which is enough to beat him.
If you cannot counter even 1 of those points, which is an absolute defeat from your side, why do you even bother to continue to answer ?
You proven, so far, your absolute incompetence to defend Harald and a total lack of knowledge of both characters.
Your total surrendering is accepted.
Please throw more vague statements so I cannot respond to them.
What am I discrediting ?
Please elaborate.
Which irrefutable evidence did I miss besides your total lack of knowledge about both characters ?
Please show us.
Aaaaaah ! One more personal attack ! And because some people do it they are right to do it, ok ?
Please pick a side between Argumentum ad Populum and Argumentum ad Personam ! It is like you cannot chose which side to pick to mask your incapacity at keeping up in a debate ! Hilarious dude !
Please do !
I don't have to agree with someone for the sake of following the bandwagon because it is better, from your point of view, to stick with what is the thing to do when you are incapable to form a coherent line of defense for the character that you want to see winning !
Hasta la vista baby !
And:
You have still to address the 10 points I have bring:
So far Kenshiro can:
1. Avoid their attacks easily and continuously hit them until they break and die for good.
2.Same as above but disarm the Vikings with his techniques and kill them with their own weapons.
3.Use the Gento Koken to destroy the Undeads at a cellular level.
4.Absorb the Life Force of the Vikings, killing them in the process
5.Use his Ki-shield so they cannot approch Kenshiro and will die meeting the Ki-shield
6.Avoid their attack and blast them back with their own weapons (arrows, spears, whatever...) or with his Ki-blasts.
7.Use Chin-Na techniques to redirect their own attacks so they impale themselves on their own weapons
8.Use Chin-Na and projection techniques so Harald remaining limbs break and get ripped off his rotten body.
9.Use the Musou Tensei which is an auto-win in all cases.
10.Kenshiro hit Harald's (the remaining ones) pressure points making him explode.
You see it's easy. Harald cannot pretend to have some sort of immunity against Kenshiro's techniques if this wasn't show in the story.
Batman has beaten Solomon Grundy by attacking his pressure points despite him being a zombie too after all... So Harald cannot pretend having some sort of immunity to it if it's hasn't been shown.
I guess that Harald doesn't have his gear (armor & sword) because the OP restricted it.
I would like to see how Harald does anything with that restriction imposed by the OP. smile
By the way:
Harald has only one remaining functional arm and he was already way too slow and unskilled to even land an attack on Kenshiro before.
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And 11) Use Toki's techniques so Harald's remaining arm tear off itself sticking to Harald's body... Kenshiro already mastered Toki's techniques so destroying Harald with this way is as effortless as with the others.
Harald is less than an insect in that fight. All he has is enhanced strength and durability. That's not enough against Kenshiro.
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