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Ridley_Prime
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Everyone has their favorites. Apocalypse is pretty much my comic villain homie, being basically the X-Men/mutants’ equivalent archetype of Darkseid or Thanos.

Although Apoc didn’t have it nearly as bad with Fox as Dr Doom, would still like for him and the mutants to come home to the rest of Marvel eventually.


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Get ready for Disney to water the movies down and make them appealable to 5 year olds with Baby Groot dancing on Logan's shoulder. Oh yes, and no creativity with film genres or Rated Rs!


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That is the one reason I'm FINE with having Xmen over at Fox. I enjoy the diversity that they provide and Logan being R-rated was ESSENTIAL to that movie.

That being said the MCU isn't ALL fun and games. TWS and Civil War for instance, NAILED the serious tone while still providing thrills and a few laughs. It looks as though Infinity War is going to be following in those movies' steps.


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Yeah and the MCU properties on Netflix.


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erm If Disney had X-Men, you could still have the more mature stories like Old Man Logan, just they would be on Netflix, where the R-rated MCU thrives.


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^ Agreed. Aside from Deadpool, there’s literally no reason for fans to want X-Men to stay at Fox. Come home to Marvel and let’s have Hulk pound on midget Wolverine, and see Magneto pretend he’s Thor’s equal.

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TWS was probably the most nailed villian in MCU


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Get ready for Disney to water the movies down and make them appealable to 5 year olds with Baby Groot dancing on Logan's shoulder. Oh yes, and no creativity with film genres or Rated Rs!
WTF are you talking about ? Fox had one really solid xmen film in Days of Future and Past and then followed it up with that stinker Apocalypse. Marvel has vastly different properties and their formulas work, add and build into the mythos and emotion of the universe, and have a creative force steering the ship. No other property in cinemas has shelled out more movies with the unbelievable momentum they have for ten years in a row.


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I've been fine with the status quo of the X-Men mythos at Fox and all related to it, because it does help out the subtext of the various movie plots to have a world where it's just mutants and the rest of humanity, exploring prejudice in all it's forms. (Although Marvel Studios has worked hard on the TV side to make Inhumans a substitute for Mutants.) Because how could humanity be so up in arms about Mutants, when so many other world shaking events are happening with the Avengers, misadventures by Iron Man, etc?

Whatever happens happens. I'm still willing to let X-Men go if it means getting back FF and everything related to it (Doom, Galactus, Silver Surfer.)


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Doom never did it for me as a character but I do feel he could work as a Loki type villain. Galactus should be the next hyped villain IMO. I would definitely love the Surfer in the MCU.


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I've been fine with the status quo of the X-Men mythos at Fox and all related to it, because it does help out the subtext of the various movie plots to have a world where it's just mutants and the rest of humanity, exploring prejudice in all it's forms. (Although Marvel Studios has worked hard on the TV side to make Inhumans a substitute for Mutants.) Because how could humanity be so up in arms about Mutants, when so many other world shaking events are happening with the Avengers, misadventures by Iron Man, etc?



I've never understood why Marvel never hammered out that inconsistency in their comics.

I'm ready for the X-Men and FF to come back home (I don't want Marvel to shelve or change Deadpool, but they'd have to take that back, too). I've seen all that they can do with those two properties and it's time to move on. They'd probably have to do a CoIE type of event just to bring mutants in the MCU.

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Doom never did it for me as a character but I do feel he could work as a Loki type villain. Galactus should be the next hyped villain IMO. I would definitely love the Surfer in the MCU.


Loki type!??

Hell no...


Doom is far stronger willed than Loki will ever be and to do Doom justice, his strength of will must be visibly apparent and must shine brightly.

Inaddition, Doom would rage mightily against being beaten up as Loki has; Valkarie (for example) would have an enemy for life if she ever did to Doom what she did to Loki...


Doom is his own man and should be unique if he comes to the MCU...

Making him a Loki type would be doing him a great injustice...


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^ Agreed. Aside from Deadpool, there’s literally no reason for fans to want X-Men to stay at Fox. Come home to Marvel and let’s have Hulk pound on midget Wolverine, and see Magneto pretend he’s Thor’s equal.


Be careful what you ask for, because if Disney gets Fox, you might have to endure the following happening to Thor for the world to see:

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I've never understood why Marvel never hammered out that inconsistency in their comics.


As a teenager in the late 1980's, I was reading the story lines involving the Mutant Registration Act and wondering why the public targets Mutants so much when they are so many other non-Mutant dangers and catastrophes happening. How come no one is pursuing Spider-Man out of suspicion he's a Mutant, and so on. Civil War in 2006 helped change this, when the Superhuman Registration Act put everyone under the same microscope.


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Be careful what you ask for, because if Disney gets Fox, you might have to endure the following happening to Thor for the world to see:


That's really an old, invalid complaint. Disney has owned Marvel for 8 years now, and the films have just gotten bigger and better, with no overt family values shoehorning taking place.


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That's really an old, invalid complaint. Disney has owned Marvel for 8 years now, and the films have just gotten bigger and better, with no overt family values shoehorning taking place.


I'm just messing with him; I've messed with him in the past about Rogue defeating Thor...

Disney getting Fox would be a great thing and I have full confidence that Disney would do justice to all the Marvel franchises/characters currently owned by Fox...


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Loki type!??

Hell no...


Doom is far stronger willed than Loki will ever be and to do Doom justice, his strength of will must be visibly apparent and must shine brightly.

Inaddition, Doom would rage mightily against being beaten up as Loki has; Valkarie (for example) would have an enemy for life if she ever did to Doom what she did to Loki...


Doom is his own man and should be unique if he comes to the MCU...

Making him a Loki type would be doing him a great injustice...
Just as Thor usually always outdoes Loki Reed has routinely outdone Doom. Same principle. Doom doesn't bring the power of the big bad that's for a character like Galactus especially when Fox has really damaged the brand value of the villain.

He is a film villain not the grand villain such as Thanos all leading to that culmination.


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Just as Thor usually always outdoes Loki Reed has routinely outdone Doom. Same principle. Doom doesn't bring the power of the big bad that's for a character like Galactus especially when Fox has really damaged the brand value of the villain.

He is a film villain not the grand villain such as Thanos all leading to that culmination.
Uh, Quan lets not talk about when Doom ripped the spine out of Thanos or any other time Thanos has lost....Doom has been more powerful than Thanos MANY times...But Thanos is typically more powerful.

Either way they're both great villians....how bout you recognize that?


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Uh, Quan lets not talk about when Doom ripped the spine out of Thanos or any other time Thanos has lost....Doom has been more powerfu than Thanos MANY times...But Thanos is typically more powerful.

Either way they're both great villians....how bout you recognize that?
Thanos stood his ground and wasn't permanently killed. Thanos' will doesn't bend or break. He has saved Doom's life before when he was stuck in a time loop in Marvel's The End, and treated him as a minior irritant in Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos has been grander in scope since the beginning whereas Doom lost his shit when he stole the Surfer's powers and the guy can't even get Thanos to even strain.


You're free to like who you want but Thanos has always been their grand cosmic villain in comics and on the big screen.


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You're free to like who you want but Thanos has always been their grand cosmic villain in comics and on the big screen.
That I agree with. Thanos is the Space version of Dr. Doom. He's more powerful, but they are very much alike; moreso than you're implying.

They both are highly intelligent, have gained god-like power, ruled worlds/galaxy...etc...

They both speak in a unique style, and their motives are generally a mystery to anyone that is not themselves..... I love both characters but you're shitting on Doom. Thanos is getting the big screen credit HE DESERVES... I hope that Doom will in the future by also being brought under the MCU banner.


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