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Knife wielding man kicks in door of family's home, but he's no match for dads rifle
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Are you able to own a gun? If so, do you, and if you don't, why not? If you can't own one, why not? Interested to know more about American gun policy.


Biggest determining factor for carry on's is where you live. District of Columbia, New York City, or Chicago and you can pretty forget about owning a carry and conceal permit. In somewhere like Vermont, you might own 40 guns and sleep with one under your pillow (Knew a guy who did this..)

Next factor is criminal record.. For example, if you don't have a permit and fire a handgun, even if you get off on an AA (Accelerate rehabilitation) which acts as a one time "get out of jail free" card and wipes your record, you still won't be permitted to ever own a gun (Unsure if it's that state, or anywhere. As we're talking a federal crime being required, I'd guess no guns period in the US..)

Long barrel guns strictly for home defense are a different story, and also for hunting and such, because you can't exactly stick one under your shirt or easily carry it around.


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I can own a gun. I do not have one, but I am thinking about getting one. My aunt owns guns and this upcoming Thanksgiving I'm going to be testing some out there.

I haven't gotten one yet because I guess I thought I didn't need it, I told myself this neighborhood was bad, but there were worse places in Chicago. That is still true, but not a good enough reason to stay vulnerable.
If you have physical issues, owning one is probably a smart idea. Home invasion scares the shit out of me, but even in London we don't have much of an issue with it. Even if someone did break in, they'd probably get scared off by my dog. But in America, the level of violence is much higher, the threat much higher too. So for you, owning a gun is probably the best idea.


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This is true, doesn't change the situation though.


It is just sad how everything sets them off here. Saying something as simple and true as "thank god he had that gun or it would have been worse" somehow flips a switch in the brains of people to make them think this is a call to defend their anti-gun stance lol. Like I personally shoved a hot poker in their eye by acknowledging in this scenario things would have been worse if he wasn't armed.

I just can't take it seriously lol. Not when something that shouldn't be controversial is suddenly seen as such.


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This is true, doesn't change the situation though.


not the situation of the article, but if a thread's topic is tainted by narrative, it should be pointed out and scrutinized.

not only does it imply that having a gun equals always having upper hand, but also some underlying assumption that this is a typical home invasion that everyone should be prepared for with firearms, when it's actually atypical. so in this scenario, it worked out. in most scenarios, people rob you when you're not home and probably are unarmed because they were watching you for days and know that nobody's home.


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If you have physical issues, owning one is probably a smart idea. Home invasion scares the shit out of me, but even in London we don't have much of an issue with it. Even if someone did break in, they'd probably get scared off by my dog. But in America, the level of violence is much higher, the threat much higher too. So for you, owning a gun is probably the best idea.


Indeed, and it's why if it's gun vs gun or knife vs knife...my best option is still gun vs gun.

And now you could also say the same about : most women and most elderly folk.


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not the situation of the article, but if a thread's topic is tainted by narrative, it should be pointed out and scrutinized.

not only does it imply that having a gun equals always having upper hand, but also some underlying assumption that this is a typical home invasion that everyone should be prepared for with firearms, when it's actually atypical. so in this scenario, it worked out. in most scenarios, people rob you when you're not home and probably are unarmed because they were watching you for days and know that nobody's home.


Lol no, these are the assumptions YOU make to justify your own responses. I never said a gun always means the upper hand.

I think more people here are starting to see how you pull BS like this lol. You literally invented a narrative here. All the while *you* are telling someone else what I did or did not truly mean to imply, lol.

If saying "thank god he was armed" taints a topic about a guy saving his family with a gun...that's just lunacy lol.


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Biggest determining factor for carry on's is where you live. District of Columbia, New York City, or Chicago and you can pretty forget about owning a carry and conceal permit. In somewhere like Vermont, you might own 40 guns and sleep with one under your pillow (Knew a guy who did this..)

Next factor is criminal record.. For example, if you don't have a permit and fire a handgun, even if you get off on an AA (Accelerate rehabilitation) which acts as a one time "get out of jail free" card and wipes your record, you still won't be permitted to ever own a gun (Unsure if it's that state, or anywhere. As we're talking a federal crime being required, I'd guess no guns period in the US..)

Long barrel guns strictly for home defense are a different story, and also for hunting and such, because you can't exactly stick one under your shirt or easily carry it around.
Interesting info, cheers man. It does seem from this that the laws are pretty strict, then? Much stricter than we're lead to believe.


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It is just sad how everything sets them off here. Saying something as simple and true as "thank god he had that gun or it would have been worse" somehow flips a switch in the brains of people to make them think this is a call to defend their anti-gun stance lol. Like I personally shoved a hot poker in their eye by acknowledging in this scenario things would have been worse if he wasn't armed.

I just can't take it seriously lol. Not when something that shouldn't be controversial is suddenly seen as such.


Interesting thing I noticed:

Israeli's are some of the most pro gun ownership people on the planet. They're like poster boys for the NRA.

American Jews are generally anti gun ownership, espcially in the cities.

Not sure why this is.. Maybe because in the case of a united country, guns keep them alive, while in a city even if all jewish people unified with guns against the anti semites of a city, they'd be swamped by sheer numbers? So, in that case argue for no guns for anybody?

Just a guess, I dunno what it could really be.


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It is just sad how everything sets them off here. Saying something as simple and true as "thank god he had that gun or it would have been worse" somehow flips a switch in the brains of people to make them think this is a call to defend their anti-gun stance lol. Like I personally shoved a hot poker in their eye by acknowledging in this scenario things would have been worse if he wasn't armed.

I just can't take it seriously lol. Not when something that shouldn't be controversial is suddenly seen as such.
I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that this scenario could've been so much worse if the intruder had a gun...

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I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that this scenario could've been so much worse if the intruder had a gun...


But...I did. I said before: one true thing does not negate another true thing.


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But...I did. I said before: one true thing does not negate another true thing.


good, so we agree that the "be prepared for this specific situation and get a rifle like dad" narrative is kinda dumb. THANK GOD


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I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that this scenario could've been so much worse if the intruder had a gun...
If you made all guns illegal in the US, then the chances of the person breaking and entering (a criminal) having a gun wouldn't go down as much of the chance of the person in the home (a law-abiding citizen) having a gun. Which would be a lot more dangerous a situation.


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good, so we agree that the "be prepared for this specific situation and get a rifle like dad" narrative is kinda dumb. THANK GOD


^^Again, I said thank god this man had a rifle because it allowed him to protect his family. You are throwing a fit over that. It's not dumb for me to say it is good this man had a firearm. You are either trolling or a lunatic lol.


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The violence is more likely to escalate with guns. Guns depersonalize killing, all you gotta do is pull a trigger. The likelihood that violence occurs is MUCH higher if everyone has guns.

Psychologically, using a knife is more personal. Knives are intimate violence and you must have agency to use one. Everyone armed with knives is less likely to result in violence.

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I think you're underestimating just how bloodthirsty some people are.

Unfortunately, where you or I might be repulsed at the idea, someone else might get excited.. (If you're breaking into someone's home and carrying in a knife, and making threats, I'd assume you're likely the latter..)


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a knife is way harder to kill with than a gun.

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Sure, but he's saying psychologically they're harder to use.

Not if you're a sadistic monster, they're not. Like a thug with a knife breaking into your home and making threats might be.


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If you made all guns illegal in the US, then the chances of the person breaking and entering (a criminal) having a gun wouldn't go down as much of the chance of the person in the home (a law-abiding citizen) having a gun. Which would be a lot more dangerous a situation.
Who said make all guns illegal? I didnít say thatís necessary or even feasible. How about just doing our best to prevent criminals from having access to guns?

Most gun violence is committed by people who legally purchased the firearm. Even a modest effort to prevent gun sales to these dangerous/unstable people could lower the amount of criminals with guns. If it saves the lives of even 1 family wouldnít you say itís worth the inconvenience?

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if i was paranoid over knife wielding home invaders, i'd sooner have a machete or katana. something that simply cannot be reasoned away as "probably fake", "he's just bluffing", "i bet it's not loaded". something that i dont have to go through a process of unlocking a case and loading bullets, while the knife-weilder presumably remains courteous and waits for me to finish.


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if i was paranoid over knife wielding home invaders, i'd sooner have a machete or katana. something that simply cannot be reasoned away as "probably fake", "he's just bluffing", "i bet it's not loaded". something that i dont have to go through a process of unlocking a case and loading bullets, while the knife-weilder presumably remains courteous and waits for me to finish.


Better off with a bat, if you want visable.

Much harder to avoid/knock away/block.


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Better off with a bat, if you want visable.

Much harder to avoid/knock away/block.


i think a large blade is way more scary than a bat. imho the goal should be to make them rethink their actions and gtfo.


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