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Patriarchy should be something you understand. Historically, Men have been in charge of societies and civilizations, Men have been at the center of politics and religion, Men have controlled the household.

Given that fact, when we compare Women and Men as genders, there's a power imbalance there. Don't you agree?


it sounds unpleasant but perhaps we should examine the power structure in other sexual dymorphic creatures? the biological and hormonal differences between the sexes that affects rational and how we employ justice.

perhaps there is a good reason men have been in charge especially considering the direct correlation between incarcerated persons being raised by single mothers compared to the per capita statistics of how well children do raised by single men.

objectively. men are better suited for certain things


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You are correct, women have the same rights. But the residual impact of thousands of years of patriarchy doesn't go away that quickly. Women are definitely doing much better today, but Men still overwhelmingly control most of business and politics and religion. Culturally, in the USA there are still places that uphold "traditional" values that involve Women staying in the kitchen.

I do think that the Patriarchy is slowly dying away though. It'll take time and continued work for the culture of patriarchy to die.


Men also have way higher suicide rates, are more likely to die on the job, etc.

We can do a trade off. I want more female garbage workers and construction workers.


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There was, but you know as well as I do there have been a power shift happening lol. You have more women attending college, for one. You have more women bringing home the bacon while the dad stays home with the kids.
Exactly, that's called improvement

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Education, politics, sports are three other examples. Religious institutions too, if we factor in the the use of denying and hiding the pedo priest, but that has gone down in recent years.


female sports don't garner much support. it's a money thing. do you really think people would forego money just cuz sex?

education is more geared towards females now. hence why females are doing better. more emphasis on regurgitation and homework rather than test taking which males naturally excel at.

you got it backwards rob. please open your mind to this


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Exactly, that's called improvement


Wait now, why is MORE women than men going to college an improvement? Men falling behind in education is not really an improvement.


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we do not live in anything close to a patriarchal society. you don't want to see what a matriarchal society looks like that has existential threats.

males are bigger, stronger, and our sex hormones give us more clarity in crisis situations. this is science. this is just the way it is


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female sports don't garner much support. it's a money thing. do you really think people would forego money just cuz sex?

education is more geared towards females now. hence why females are doing better. more emphasis on regurgitation and homework rather than test taking which males naturally excel at.

you got it backwards rob. please open your mind to this


Indeed, boys learn differently than girls, right? And they are falling behind in almost everything.


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You are correct, women have the same rights. But the residual impact of thousands of years of patriarchy doesn't go away that quickly. Women are definitely doing much better today, but Men still overwhelmingly control most of business and politics and religion. Culturally, in the USA there are still places that uphold "traditional" values that involve Women staying in the kitchen.

I do think that the Patriarchy is slowly dying away though. It'll take time and continued work for the culture of patriarchy to die.


Hah. Who do you think is "educating" everyone about the patriarchy?

Far as I can see, the education and media systems that feed off controversy are dominated by men. Do you think they'd allow anyone to break their ranks where it matters, within the spheres of power and influence they control?

No, at best some very few women will join their ranks, but not enough to change the grip guys have on real power, and the women and lower class/middle class men can fight it out for subserviant positions (Wanna bet some among the ruling class might even secretly harbor an anti-feminist view that women are easier to control in middle management positions..?)


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men are better suited for certain things
That's true, men and women are better suited to different things. Ultimately though, as far as intellectual competence, Men and Women are essentially equal.

The only reason Patriarchy was allowed to flourish is because in the caveman days intellect wasn't valued as much as brute strength, physicality and violence. Men had the upper hand when it came to these things.

Perhaps if the things better suited to Women were highly valued, we would be living in a Matriarchy instead right now.

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boys still do far better on SAT and IQ test etc.

but in the spirit of "equality" these tests are wronfully scrutinized and marginalized.

women are better at the more robotic tasks like long homework sessions and memorizing and repeating. it's biology.


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we do not live in anything close to a patriarchal society. you don't want to see what a matriarchal society looks like that has existential threats.

males are bigger, stronger, and our sex hormones give us more clarity in crisis situations. this is science. this is just the way it is


You won't convince them, people on the left are convinced these things are real. They need those vague boogeymen to point to. Russia, the Patriarchy, etc.

Some of the same people in this country who think some vague sinister patriarchy exists are also probably the same type that laugh at any conspiracies conservatives voice.


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Patriarchy should be something you understand. Historically, Men have been in charge of societies and civilizations, Men have been at the center of politics and religion, Men have controlled the household.

Given that fact, when we compare Women and Men as genders, there's a power imbalance there. Don't you agree?


My Fiancee, who holds two degrees and has been working in banking for almost 10 years, tells me all the time how she's super excited to make food for me. And she can't wait to clean my house and decorate it.

Obviously, I tell her that I'll be cleaning and cooking right along side her (and that I would follow her directions in the kitchen like a good Sous-Chef).

But, is this okay to you? Is it okay that she wants these things and gets excited about it? It would seem you look down on women who want to be in the kitchen.


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My Fiancee, who holds two degrees and has been working in banking for almost 10 years, tells me all the time how she's super excited to make food for me. And she can't wait to clean my house and decorate it.

Obviously, I tell her that I'll be cleaning and cooking right along side her (and that I would follow her directions in the kitchen like a good Sous-Chef).

But, is this okay to you? Is it okay that she wants these things and gets excited about it? It would seem you look down on women who want to be in the kitchen.


Silly man, the Patriarchy tricked her into wanting to do that. You can't even prove me wrong because I'm blaming it on some vague boogeymen. Ha.


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That's true, men and women are better suited to different things. Ultimately though, as far as intellectual competence, Men and Women are essentially equal.

The only reason Patriarchy was allowed to flourish is because in the caveman days intellect wasn't valued as much as brute strength, physicality and violence. Men had the upper hand when it came to these things.

Perhaps if the things better suited to Women were highly valued, we would be living in a Matriarchy instead right now.


you have been mislead by years of media my friend.

we live in a world with threats. men are better suited to be in charge of protecting against these threats. it's the way it's always been.
iq tests between men and women have been manipulated long ago for whatever agenda it may be. women only beat men in iq tests before the age of 15; this is the small window where females are smarter due to faster maturation during this time.

any extensive research will reveal this manipulation.

things are the way they are. nature is the way it is. we are sexually dymorphic for a reason...survival. in all our modern sensibilities we have decided to try to change that for the feels. it's a dangerous game


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You won't convince them, people on the left are convinced these things are real. They need those vague boogeymen to point to. Russia, the Patriarchy, etc.

Some of the same people in this country who think some vague sinister patriarchy exists are also probably the same type that laugh at any conspiracies conservatives voice.


it's just common sense. it's about life or death how we evolved here..

it's very sad to see men so emotionally based. very manipulated


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My Fiancee, who holds two degrees and has been working in banking for almost 10 years, tells me all the time how she's super excited to make food for me. And she can't wait to clean my house and decorate it.

Obviously, I tell her that I'll be cleaning and cooking right along side her (and that I would follow her directions in the kitchen like a good Sous-Chef).

But, is this okay to you? Is it okay that she wants these things and gets excited about it? It would seem you look down on women who want to be in the kitchen.


The very definition of anti-feminism is to tell a woman how she's supposed to feel about anything.

Sounds to me like you've got quite a woman. thumb up


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find a species of mammals that are sexually dymorphic in favor of males and are matriarchal and have tons of outside threats.

find one.


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it sounds unpleasant but perhaps we should examine the power structure in other sexual dymorphic creatures? the biological and hormonal differences between the sexes that affects rational and how we employ justice.

perhaps there is a good reason men have been in charge especially considering the direct correlation between incarcerated persons being raised by single mothers compared to the per capita statistics of how well children do raised by single men.

objectively. men are better suited for certain things


Wait a minute...the single father thing?


Where is your data: I'm not finding outcomes for children raised by single fathers.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013...single-fathers/


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it's just common sense. it's about life or death how we evolved here..

it's very sad to see men so emotionally based. very manipulated


Male feminists are the worst. The hardcore ones usually turn out to have abused women in some way in the past.


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Census Fatherhood Statistics
Father Involvement and Education
Census Fatherhood Statistics
70.1 million: Estimated number of fathers across the nation.
24.7 million: Number of fathers who were part of married-couple families with children younger than 18 in 2013
21 percent were raising three or more children younger than 18 (among married-couple family households only).
3 percent lived in someone else's home.
2.0 million: Number of single fathers in 2013; 17 percent of custodial single parents were men.
9 percent were raising three or more children younger than 18.
About 44 percent were divorced, 33 percent were never married, 19 percent were separated, and 4.2 percent were widowed.
39 percent had an annual family income of $50,000 or more.
214,000: Estimated number of stay-at-home dads in 2013. These married fathers with children younger than 15 have remained out of the labor force for at least one year primarily so they can care for the family while their wives work outside the home. These fathers cared for about 434,000 children.
18% - In spring 2011, the percentage of preschoolers regularly cared for by their father during their mother's working hours.
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Father Involvement and Education
When fathers are involved in the lives of their children, especially their education, their children learn more, perform better in school, and exhibit healthier behavior. Even when fathers do not share a home with their children, their active involvement can have a lasting and positive impact. There are countless ways to be involved in your child’s education at all ages.
According to a 2007 National Center for Education Statistics Report:
92% of students in grades K though 12 had parents who reported receiving any information from the school on the student’s performance.
83% had parents who received any information about how to help with homework.
59% of students in grades K through 12 had parents who were "very satisfied" with their child’s school; 55% had parents who were very satisfied with the school’s parent-staff interactions.
The presence of a responsible father promotes improves academic performance and reduces disciplinary problems among children.
Preschoolers with actively involved fathers have stronger verbal skills.
Radin, N., 1982, “Primary Caregiving and Role-Sharing Fathers,” in Non- Traditional Families: Parenting and Child Development, edited by M. Lamb, Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum, pp. 173–204.
Children with actively involved fathers display less behavior problems in school.
Amato, P.R., and Rivera, F., 1999, “Paternal Involvement and Children’s Behavior Problems,” Journal of Marriage and the Family, 61, 375–384.
Girls with strong relationships with their fathers do better in mathematics.
Radin, N., and Russell, G., 1983, “Increased Father Participation and Child Development Outcomes,” in Fatherhood and Family Policy, edited by M.E. Lamb and A. Sagi, Hillside, N.J.: Lawrence Erlbaum, pp. 191–218.
Boys with actively involved fathers tend to get better grades and perform better on achievement tests.
Biller, H.B. 1993, Fathers and Families: Paternal Factors in Child Development, Westport, CT: Auburn House.
Research shows that even very young children who have experienced high father involvement show an increase in curiosity and in problem solving capacity. Fathers’ involvement seems to encourage children’s exploration of the world around them and confidence in their ability to solve problems.
Pruett, Kyle D. 2000. Fatherneed: Why Father Care is as Essential as Mother Care for Your Child. New York: Free Press.
Highly involved fathers also contribute to increased mental dexterity in children, increased empathy, less stereotyped sex role beliefs and greater self-control.
Abramovitch, H. 1997. Images of the "Father" in The Role of the Father in Child Development. M.E. Lamb, Ed., New York: John Wiley & Sons.
When non-custodial fathers are highly involved with their children’s learning, the children are more likely to get A's at all grade levels.
National Center for Education Statistics. October 1997. Fathers’ Involvement in Their Children’s Schools; National Household Education Survey. NCES 98-091R2. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of Education.
Nonresident father contact with children and involvement in their schools within the past year are associated with the same three factors: fathers paying child support; custodial mothers being more educated; and custodial homes not experiencing financial difficulties.
National Center for Education Statistics. October 1997. Fathers’ Involvement in Their Children’s Schools; National Household Education Survey. NCES 98-091R2. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of Education.
High involvement at the early childhood level - frequency with which parents interact with their young children, such as how often they read, tell stories and sign and play with their children. These experiences contribute to children’s language and literacy development and transmit information and knowledge about people, places and things.
Bredekamp, S. and Copple, C. 1997. Developmentally Appropriate Practice in Early Childhood Programs. Washington, D.C.: National Association for the Education of Young Children.


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