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CosmicComet
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Punisher tanking it was PIS.

Guilt isn't supposed to matter.


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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Countless comics have pointed out that Superman is... human. A sinner, just like the rest of us. Flawed.



Didn't know you cared stilt.


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Punisher tanking it was PIS.

Guilt isn't supposed to matter.


He's been an agent of heaven, has resisted telepathy with great success (his brain was compared to that of a reptile)... Vietnam, his war on crime, him murdering his resurrected family... all of that has made Frank an emotionless, soulless killing machine.

Sure, it should've worked anyway... truth is, as inconsistent as PS is, I could see it going either way. Depends on writer's whim, basically.

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Didn't know you cared stilt.



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Nah.

Castle is everything Supes is not.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...6-punisher3.jpg

Penance stare worked on good guys before. Superman is far from perfect, as long as his soul and vision are intact, the PS can mess him up.


This is nothing but pure wank for the Punisher. It doesn't matter if he regretted the things he's done, he still kill, he still cause pain to others, even the innocent bystanders he's war has effected.

So him resisting if pure shitty writing.

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anyway, in this thread gr still has no answer for superman's speed. may depend on the limits gr is willing to go to though:

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...-gr_13_0023.jpg

if blaze/ketch/host is in control, superman can score a ko. if he goes full rider....that would be a much MUCH different animal... his weapons could definitely do some damage if he can hit. aoe attacks would hurt supes, amybe enough to give gr a chance to use them. depends fully on what level gr we're talking about. such a complicated character.


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Flash, Hyperion,Gladiator, Superman, Quicksilver, Supreme and ALL other speedsters have been smashed, knocked silly and tagged by FAR slower characters Plenty of times. This " no answer for speed " excuse is getting old and useless.


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This is nothing but pure wank for the Punisher. It doesn't matter if he regretted the things he's done, he still kill, he still cause pain to others, even the innocent bystanders he's war has effected.

So him resisting if pure shitty writing.


You're acting as if he was the only "bad to the bone" badass that resisted it...


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Originally posted by JBL
Flash, Hyperion,Gladiator, Superman, Quicksilver, Supreme and ALL other speedsters have been smashed, knocked silly and tagged by FAR slower characters Plenty of times. This " no answer for speed " excuse is getting old and useless.


So true, same as the massive misunderstanding about how fights happens in comics & mangas...


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pfft. wtf would a high ranking angel from heaven know about purity or souls? ffs can we PLEASE just ban stupid people? i'm begging at this point.

talk about gr's highest healing feats, or his magic weapons or...anything, but ffs do not talk about the ps taking him out. and of course anyone with a lick of sense enough to realize this fact just HAS to whack off to superman, amiright??? ****ing imbeciles.
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Probably Superman


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*sigh* 3 examples of Supes tanking similar attacks just fine and people are claiming they don't count without providing any real evidence for why the attack would work...and then claiming the people providing the scans of Supes taking those attacks are the biased ones...this is somewhat similar to the lifting thread where Carver claimed that bench pressing the earth's weight doesn't count as lifting, because it's a different kind of lifting. Christ. What the f**k?


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You have to have a pure soul to lift thors hammer. Guess who failed. I love how everybody along with rats come out of hiding to praise one scan when there are plenty others saying the opposite.


You have a single scan supporting your claim of "purity of soul" being a factor?


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Lol. Asmodel says hi. He's actually used an attack that is analogous to the Penance Stare, as close as you can get anyway.

And Superman wasn't affected.


A good point, and one I would have made.

However, as I understand it the PS basically only taps into your guilt. And post crisis Superman carried some terrible guilt over the Zod execution.

It got so bad, he was dressing up as Gangbuster in his sleep and eventually ditched Earth for awhile.

Edit: And I really need to start reading threads before posting.

I guess being it's Castle, PIS is justifiable.. The character is a walking PIS factory.


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A good point, and one I would have made.

However, as I understand it the PS basically only taps into your guilt. And post crisis Superman carried some terrible guilt over the Zod execution.

It got so bad, he was dressing up as Gangbuster in his sleep and eventually ditched Earth for awhile.


To my understanding, that is a rare take on the PS. Possibly even something a writer pulled out of his ass for Punisher. I'm certainly no expert, but I'd always heard it as not guilt related but them feeling the pain they inflicted on innocents, all at once or something like that. But that's the example getting used primarily now.


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