I goofed it a bit, the Sandyhook was both ar/hand, so that should have been split and I gave it all to the ar category. But it's still favored to ar by 40ish percent at least.
The ones that said "multiple weapons" and didn't specify, I left out, favoring neither
He doesn't want to compare just ARs vs everything else, even though that was my original statement. If we compare shootings with just AR style rifles vs shootings without. shootings without ARs has the higher number.
He realized this, which is why he started complianing that I was excluding non AR style rifles.
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Last edited by Silent Master on Mar 9th, 2018 at 05:22 PM
Incorrect. You posted the source and I used your source to compare rifles vs hand/shot guns. The higher death count favors rifles as a fact; which doesn't gel with your agenda.
I wasn't comparing handguns/shotguns to AR's though. my post made it clear I was comparing ARs vs everything else. as I was responding directly to a claim that ARs cause a higher count.
The higher death count does not favor AR style "assault" rifles.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
This thread is about Mass Shootings so we should only consider that list.
Of the top 10 list, that's quite a few in the recent years (7). Does that not speak to a different trend which is the near-sexualization and immortialization of mass shooters by our media (both online and OTA)?
Seems the deadlier weapon here is "if it bleeds, it leads" from our Media.
I think first step to reducing mass shootings in the US is to make it illegal to put the perpetrators' names and faces in any news releases. And violation of this should expand to social media with fines. How far to go with that?
Yes, he cut the list in half and then discounted the ones where multiple weapons were used as several of them didn't include an "assault" weapons. mainly because leaving everything in would help my point.
IE, that 13 of the top 20 didn't use AR type weapons and that if you count total death toll. AR style weapons don't have much of an advantage and in fact would probably lose.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
That was a copy/paste error of the list, my initial numbers accounted for the 20 on the list, with the noted exceptions of the "multiple" not being counted and the initial error in regards to Sandyhook.
Even if true, it didn't account for all deaths as a result of non-AR style weapons. you also cried that I was excluding non AR style assault rifles in the numbers for death by AR style assault rifles.
Edit: The actual death toll for non AR style assault rifles is 205
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Last edited by Silent Master on Mar 9th, 2018 at 08:48 PM
It's absolutely true, if I only used the top ten, the numbers would be lower for both, smartguy.
I didn't include the "multiple" because specific guns are not listed. Some of those will be rifles, some will be handguns, some will be shotguns combos.
Only the specific guns were listed for the ones marked as "multiple weapon" shootings. you're being very dishonest.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
There is no splitting as most of the ones listed as multiple weapons don't include assault rifles and the ones that did, I didn't count at all towards my 205 number.
I only counted the shootings where no AR style weapons were used.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Actually, that's my fault as you clarified that and I failed to spend more time looking at the list to see that you cleaned it up.
And that should settle the discussion.
Unless we want to expand the list to the top 100. I think handguns become the lion share if we move the list a bit further out. But that might be part of your point? That the more deadly shootings use ARs?
Audio was apparently released from Florida. So the one cop(Peterson) who claimed he thought the shooter was outside the building...clearly says he hears shots IN the building.
Busted.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
His numbers aren't accurate as they left off at 4 shootings that didn't use AR style weapons. if you add those in you'd be at 205, plus if you split the numbers from all the ones that used both AR style rifles and other weapons like Rob did for Sandy Hook. the non AR death toll would be around 230.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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