Our culture has become more ethical as we've seperated ourselves from god. The West's 'ethics" have been based on a gradual seperation of the church and a state.
And religion isn't "transcendent", it's based on very fallible human beings' perceptions.
Aitheism is simply a lack of belief in god, it doesn't remotely preclude you from creating your meaning to base your virtues off. As we are naturally social beings, it's natural we would opt to cooperate rather than kill each other.
Religion did not create morality, the morals religion instills were morals that existed well before the religions existed. The morals of a religion are based on the morals of the people who create the religion, not the concept of god itself.
There simply isn't anything morally off about athiesim. And as society has shifted away from reliance on religion, we've become better more tolerant and moral people.
Not to mention that the whole, "do good and you get rewarded or do bad and get punished" is just as shallow as any material based morality.
Religious people have no business preaching to atheists about morality.
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My personal point of view is that there's a special type of religious regressivism and a special type of atheist regressivism, and certain specific benefits accrued to the best members of both groups. The idea that if everyone was religious or everyone was atheist we'd live in a noticeably better world is absolute nonsense IMO, and I think it'd get worse either of those ways tbh.
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morality can't be attributed to religion as morality exists with or without it. The use of reason and logic to better society can outright be attributed to athieism as it was unsubstatiated religious beliefs that was replaced by the use of logic and reason.
Society has become more tolerant and more advanced as religion has had less and less of an influence recently.
Stands to reason that as religion has less and less of an influence on sh!t, society will get better.
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It seems that to me that you, unknowingly I suppose, opened up a path to refute this point by using Peterson's reasoning. (which I share to some degree.)
I will address some points made in this thread soon.
In the meantime I must say I see a few necessary correctives concering some anthropological claims.
Exactly. It's not just your opinion. It's really... fact. lol
And Peterson claims to be rooted in evolutionary theory and he totally misses this point. It's baffling.
Then he's making the claim that morality existed before everything else, just like God supposedly did. It's another unprovable claim and is therefore moot.
Is that why the Bible and Koran advocate rape and slavery? It's rooted in our evolutionary past for sure.. heh
Yeah, in fact, with secular meditations atheism is far more capable of 'transcendence' than any fundamental religion. Anthropomorphized gods are obstacles to transcendence.
If there's a problem with atheism Jordan Peterson has not found it or at least has not articulated it effectively.
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