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Nephthys
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I actually really like Hela, Ego, Obadiah Stane, Red Skull, Loki....etc..

I'm sick to death of hearing that Marvel has a villain problem..it's a false narrative repeated happily by people that hate the MCU.

Sure, there are a few stinkers...that's bound to happen in a franchise that is 17+ films in the running now.


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Marvel has some great villains, some incredible ones even. More than they do bad ones. They do have some bland ones though. And a lot of personalityless sub-villians.


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The biggest flaw I find with Marvel villains is that they don't leave a lasting impact either due to being just a step to Thanos or just having poor characterization.

Ultron is a prime example of a potentially awesome villain story going nowhere.

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Ultron was fine, unfortunately; he didn't get NEAR enough time to be an Avengers villain. 1 movie wasn't enough for him. Most of the MCU villains are fine though; with a few exceptions.


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Ultron was a good villain. He was definitely unique but it's always been about Thanos. This May.


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Malekith by far. Half the time I forgot that he was in the movie, that's how little personality he had. Which is a shame because I loved him in the Walt Simonson Thor comics.

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Oh, while we're at it let's rip on DC's villains too. The only good one was Joker from TDK trilogy....the rest have sucked.



Nicholson Joker, parts of DeVito's Penguin, Nolan Ra's al Ghul, Nolan Scarecrow, Nolan Two-Face, TDKR Bane, and TDKR Catwoman are all good villains.

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I actually really like Hela, Ego, Obadiah Stane, Red Skull, Loki....etc..

I'm sick to death of hearing that Marvel has a villain problem..it's a false narrative repeated happily by people that hate the MCU.

Sure, there are a few stinkers...that's bound to happen in a franchise that is 17+ films in the running now.


+1 for liking Obadiah Stane. Nobody ever brings him up, but I thought Jeff Bridges was charismatic as f.uck in Iron Man.

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Malekith and Whiplash.


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+1 for liking Obadiah Stane. Nobody ever brings him up, but I thought Jeff Bridges was charismatic as f.uck in Iron Man.
Ikr? Jeff was great in IM1 👍


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Like to know if they have further plans for Zemo in the MCU, Maybe he finds out in his family tree that he's part of some royal family.


I'm hoping Marvel slowly teases the Thunderbolts, with Secretary Ross creating this covert ops team with Zemo as the leader (and Vulture makes the team) because he's not going to let Tony Stark do what he does.


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The movies:

- Worst: ya, prolly Malekith
- Most disappointing: Ultron

TV:
- By far, any of the garbage cabal of the Five Fingers of the Hand.

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Oh, while we're at it let's rip on DC's villains too. The only good one was Joker from TDK trilogy....the rest have sucked.


Terence Stamp Zod?

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Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I actually really like Hela, Ego, Obadiah Stane, Red Skull, Loki....etc..

I'm sick to death of hearing that Marvel has a villain problem..it's a false narrative repeated happily by people that hate the MCU.

Sure, there are a few stinkers...that's bound to happen in a franchise that is 17+ films in the running now.


True on the villain hate.

Just look at James Bond: plenty of classic villains, plenty of bad ones, and everything in between. It's gonna happen when the movie catalog gets so deep.

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I actually really like Hela, Ego, Obadiah Stane, Red Skull, Loki....etc..



In retrospect, Iron Monger's plan was stupid. He himself called Tony the "goose that lays the golden eggs", and his plan was to strangle the goose, declare himself CEO/President/whatever and then what? Stark Industries likely would have stagnated and lost it's market dominance once Stane realized he and his best engineers were nowhere close to Stark in a cave with a box of scraps. Even after he realized that he still tried to kill Tony.

Red Skull, most underrated MCU villian imo. Checked all of the boxes plus a great performance by Hugo Weaving.


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Malekith sucked shit.
Yeah he is probably the worst one.


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In retrospect, Iron Monger's plan was stupid. He himself called Tony the "goose that lays the golden eggs", and his plan was to strangle the goose, declare himself CEO/President/whatever and then what? Stark Industries likely would have stagnated and lost it's market dominance once Stane realized he and his best engineers were nowhere close to Stark in a cave with a box of scraps. Even after he realized that he still tried to kill Tony.

Red Skull, most underrated MCU villian imo. Checked all of the boxes plus a great performance by Hugo Weaving.
Yah, again I agree Red Skull as I said is great; and no one gives him credit.

As far as Obadiah, sure his plan wasn't the best, but he oozed charisma and was fantastically played by Jeff Bridges. Critics raved about him when the film was released and because so many people like to mindlessly parrot that the MCU has no good villains, they ignore him conveniently.

As I said, the MCU absolutely has some stinkers, but they've got some great villains too. Honestly, the biggest problem I have with MCU villains is that they almost always get killed after just one movie....not enough time to set them up properly.


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I want the dark avengers and Sentry in phase four. That'd be fantastic.


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A Thunderbolts movie would be cool but I just looked through the villains list and I'm reminded just how many bad guys die in these movies. All I can figure would fit would be Zemo + Vulture, someone from an upcoming movie and then maybe you can bullshit IM3 and Dr. Stranges bad guys back. Have Songbird be the protag and introduce her in this film.

Deadpool and/or Punisher as a pipedreams.

Honestly though I'm really down for one of the after credits scenes in an upcoming movie being Ross coming into the bad guys cell and saying "I'm here to talk to you about the Thunderbolts initiative."


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