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Why is Handwriting Analysis still used in court cases?

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Because otherwise people could forge signatures, or frame someone for some shit, etc. etc.

There's a valid reason it exists...

That being said Roy Moore's defense is extremely pathetic from everything I've seen lol.


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Because otherwise people could forge signatures, or frame someone for some shit, etc. etc.

There's a valid reason it exists...

That being said Roy Moore's defense is extremely pathetic from everything I've seen lol.

But...
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But such an examination1 would be unlikely to empirically prove Moore’s position — or much of anything. Despite its widespread use, handwriting analysis is neither reliable nor scientifically confirmed.


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“There are few, if any, well-designed studies that show how well handwriting analysts can identify a forgery under conditions that mimic those that might exist in legal cases,” said Jonathan Koehler, a law professor and forensic science expert at Northwestern Pritzker School of Law. “Even major treatises on handwriting analysis concede that it is extremely difficult for anyone to be able to figure out if a signature or other very limited writing sample has been forged.”

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this eagerness to believe might also mislead. The technique is “highly subjective” and “vulnerable to context effects such as expectation and suggestion,” according to an examination of cases involving handwriting identification by Seton Hall law professor and forensic handwriting expert Michael Risinger.

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I'd assume because handwritng can also be used for psychological analysis in court, given that handwiritng is pretty much unique to a particular person.

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I'd assume because handwritng can also be used for psychological analysis in court, given that handwriting is pretty much unique to a particular person.
I'd be interested in any Scientific studies that are evidential and not opinioned re Psychological Analysis of Handwriting, particularly with a decent sample group that have been scientifically peer-reviewed.


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I'd assume because handwritng can also be used for psychological analysis in court, given that handwiritng is pretty much unique to a particular person.

Right, but it's an unreliable form of evidence with no scientific backing. Why would we use that in court?

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Re: Why is Handwriting Analysis still used in court cases?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...rate-roy-moore/



They have to prove it in court in front of a Jury. Doesn't matter if it is a tribal shaman: it's to convince the jury of x or y.


So if courts do not think of HA or other things like it as snake oil, it can be admissible with an expert testimony.


Edit - Also, if I become familiar enough with people's handwriting, a large number of them, I can look at a paper and in less than a second, tell exactly who it is. Almost like recognizing a face. There is definitive science behind HA. If a layman can "pattern match", all the more (pun) reason to say that an expert can match it. In this scenario, we are not dealing with Moore trying to pretend to be someone else. It is someone else trying to pretend to be Moore.


Computer Tests Proves Handwriting Analysis Is Legitimate

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/st...7978&page=1



National Institute of Science and Technology decided to check for the validity of HA to an extreme level to see if they could find the suspects out of 1000 writing samples including when the suspects obfsucated their writing styles:
https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/...POINT-FINAL.pdf

Conclusion:

All Four Examiners reached definitive
conclusions.

All Four Examiners were correct.





The reason HA is being considered is if true Forensic HA Experts show that Moore did not write this, this calls into question ALL the allegations. And no body wants that. But just because one is determined to be forged does not mean that all people claiming to be victims are wrong. It could just mean that that person is a liar trying to get in on some of this: definitely not uncommon. We saw this with Bill Cosby, too: one or two victims had stories that were easily proven wrong. But what about the other 10+?


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They have to prove it in court in front of a Jury. Doesn't matter if it is a tribal shaman: it's to convince the jury of x or y.


So if courts do not think of HA or other things like it as snake oil, it can be admissible with an expert testimony.

Whether or not it can be used doesn't address whether or not it should be used.

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Right, but it's an unreliable form of evidence with no scientific backing. Why would we use that in court?


But this is false.


I think what you're confusing is using HA for Psychoanalysis. Not pattern matching. The pattern matching is what is being used, here, not the pseudoscience of psychoanalysis. I think this is what you've confused and also what the author of the 538 article didn't know. They should write a retraction.


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Whether or not it can be used doesn't address whether or not it should be used.


Read my edits. It can be used and it should be used and it is science. You're just simply wrong about it. So is the 538 author.


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hmmm... interesting

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