The fact that someone faster than vision, WW, was a statue to him. He should be able to land quite a bit more than a few hits. Moving so fast that other people with bullet time super speed (WW) are statues is INSANE for movie feats. How many hits would you guess it would take to put vision down?
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Except a thought travels a lot faster than moving your body. I'm not saying Superman can't land a number of hits on Vision in a split second, but saying he can land tons of hits is a bit of an exaggeration. Superman has no feats of doing something like that.
Sorry, I edited some more into my post that you likely didn't see. Keep in mind that WW is a legit bullet timer. In the beginning of the movie she blocked a whole clip from a machine gun while moving. Now think about the fact that even she was a statue compared to Supes. That is INSANE for movie speed. Imo, until vision gets better speed feats, by the time vision registers he is being hit, he will have been too damaged to do much about it.
By the way, I gotta say Frothbyte, it's fun to have a civil convo with someone about which superhero beats which other superhero. lol. So mad props on being fun to talk to, reasonable, and not name calling.
I would have agreed, except that WW didn't seem to have a speed advantage over Steppenwolf who was not portrayed as a speedster. So a lot of inconsistency there. Kinda hard to base an argument on WW when WW's speed is so inconsistent.
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Thanks. There are some here who are decent, who won't resort to insults as long as everyone does the same. Problem is the loudest posters are usually not these people. lol.
Ok, so imo Supes straight up wins 6/10 with the other 4 fights being stalemates due to vision maintaining intangibility and Supes going super speed with the other avengers getting knocked out. I think that is a reasonable conclusion.
When has that happened before ? We see against WW despite his speed edge she lassos him and headbutts him. Why didn't he use superspeed against a human named Batman ? Slower reflexes, less powerful character, less durable, etc. It isn't the Knite it's the fact he was fast enough to tag superman multiple times and weather his attacks. Focus on my argument not the Knite.
If Batman can weather this farm-boys attacks why can't Thor and Hulk ? They have durability in spades. Superman isn't a mindless killer and despite his superspeed he didn't defeat anyone in Justice League before they could hit him back or react. You're a dim witted fanboy who can't accept the simple fact just because you're faster doesn't mean you can't or won't be hit.
You don't have a single example to back up your flimsy cbr debate.
No, he isn't. He isn't even too much for an all out Batman. He was hit with shockwaves, gun fire, Knite, and Batman physical attacks. A human with inferior durability to Hulk and Thor sustained his assault. The inferior team Justice League weathered his assault. WW despite being slower still managed to retaliate with a headbutt and lasso him. Why can't Thor and Hulk hit him ? A human being has just one on one. Just because the Justice league held back doesn't mean the Avengers treat him the same. They don't share any history. The JL were not to crush him in battle so do not get it twisted.
Avengers crush him. Super speed has been dealt with by the team as a minor issue with Quicksilver.
No big deal.
Avengers rage stomp.
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So lowballing? check. Using BVS out of context? Check. Bringing up Batman again sans proper context and attributing Supes being weakened due to k-nite as the standard? check. Somehow equating a k-nite weakened Superman who didn't want to fight to what we have seen recently JL, in order to try to have an semblance of an argument to justify your irrational hatred? check. Resorting to name calling? check. Did I miss something, or does that just about sum up your piss poor, biased, and poorly thought out argument against a character that you have frequently said you hate, and have been totally biases against in every post you have ever made about him?
There has never been low balling or high balling there are only facts. You're attaching feelings and your opinion into this debate because you're biased.
I am saying Batman is fast enough to use traps, gunfire, and his own weaponry to hit Superman with while at full power. I am not saying Hulk throws Knite at Superman I am saying if Batman is fast enough to hit him as is WW then why not Hulk/Thor/etc.
Superman's mother's fate was tied into the outcome of his fight with Batman. You aren't going to motivate him much more than with his stepmother or his Lois.
The Justice League didn't want to fight so either you admit you're using a double standard because you're clearly Superman biased or kindly just concede the point to yours truly.
At no point does Super a use superspeed to defeat a clearly weaker and slower villain in Steppenwolf. It's just silly. If he can't use his superspeed to at least disarm and beat Batman into submission what chance do you believe he has here.
Uh huh. Why didn't Superman do all those these against Batman? Possibly because he had no need to in his eyes? Possibly because he had no idea k-nite even existed so why bother doing all of that right away since your opponent has no way of hurting you?
He also very clearly tried to talk Bruce down. He even said he could have killed Batman if he wanted to. He very OBVIOUSLY didn't want to fight. He straight up said it.
Even if the Justice League didn't want to fight it doesn't change the fact he was too fast and too strong for them. That couldn't have been made more clear. What, do you need the film makers to sit you down personally and tell you? Even then you'd likely not believe it.
So are you really saying that just because he didn't beat Steppenwolf with super speed it is somehow weak? I guess Thor's lighting is weak sauce since he didn't use it to beat loki in Thor 1 or Avengers huh? So is Superman's freeze breath ultra uuber because it contributed to Steppenwolf's defeat?
And once again, you low balling and taking things out of context. You really aren't worth talking to about topics involving Superman. Give it a rest and enjoy the holidays.
Sure, I can agree to that. Maybe Wanda can put in a lucky psychic attack somewhere in there. But Superman mostly dominates the fight, with Thor and Vision giving him a bit of challenge.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
IYO, if JL Superman is an overall 10 in formidability. what are the other JL members?
Wonder Woman
Cyborg
Flash
Aquaman
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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