Re: For those right leaning, why do you cuck for the wealthy?
Yeah, I don't like it that righwingers are stupidly corporatists.
Small government? Big corporations?
There's no huge functional differences between a huge behemoth of a government and the near-corporatocracy that we live in, now. Our lobbyists are generally part of these large groups, sometimes supported by multiple corporations, that influence our government.
Re: Re: For those right leaning, why do you cuck for the wealthy?
Yes there is, corporations by nature are profit-motivated and have little responsibility to the general populace. The government meanwhile has a huge responsibility to the general populace.
And leftists don’t really call for a behemoth government, they just call for government regulation of the economy so that corporations can’t use their power to exploit and take advantage of the general populous. As far as personal freedoms and liberties, the left doesn’t care for government intervention.
The right wingers meanwhile don’t want the government involved with regulating the economy whatsoever, allowing corporations to run wild and exersize their powers at will. As for personal freedom and liberties, rightists would love for government to enforce the traditional way of living with anti-gay, pro-religion, anti-marijuana type policies.
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You're not this naive. Surely you don't see how that's how our government acts, now? According to the research, that's what they do, now: operate as a corporatocracy and/or serving the top 10%.
I don't think I have much to say on this other than, in general, leftists in the US are for more big government. As are our rightests. Both "sides" are actually rightists. I'm being specific to our Dems and GOP.
I disagree with you, here. I don't think any GOP member would agree with your statement and almost all of them would agree that regulation is required. Just not a whole bunch of it. You'd be correct if you were talking about some of the members of the powerless libertarians.
I agree. Our GOP peeps claim "personal freedom" and "but mai foundin' fahtherz!" while standing for anything but actual Lockean Freedom:
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You’re correct here, our government is contaminated by lobbyists and special interest groups and doesn’t seem to be working as it should be. Ultimately, the only way to end this corporatacracy we’re in now is for the people of America to make the government accountable for sucking up to corporate elites. That means electing ppl like Bernie Sanders who take no money from special interests.
Purely in terms of concept and theory though, government is supposed to be accountable to the general public whereas corporations have no accountability and are entirely profit-motivated.
“Big Government” is a vague boogie man created by right-wingers to scare ppl. Leftists are not for “Big Government”, they are for “Better Government”. Government that is better in the sense that it is strong enough to put corporations into check and protect the interests of the general populace. Right wingers don’t care for Better Government, they want Less Government.
Of course GOP ppl aren’t advocating for no regulation, they’re advocating for as little regulation as possible
There is only equivalence between corporations and democracy when our government officials are bought off and the American people don’t do anything about it.
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Maybe just maybe the fact that big government has a monopoly on force and businesses don't might have something to do with the fact that some people are more concerned about the overreach of a government taxing them for programs or restricting their personal freedom in ways they cannot refuse without suffering retributive force, as opposed to a corporation they can choose not to give money to.
I don't trust the republicans either when it comes to protecting personal liberty, but the idea that big government is just some republican boogieman is a joke.
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Both sides are for big government. The difference between the two is that our GOP people use "Big Government" in a derogatory way, say they want small efficient government, but are all over making the government as big as possible. Almost no difference between them and the dems.
See, the thing is, some incumbant GOP members are for things like universal healthcare, unions, regulations, etc. They are a diverse group. Sam as the Dems. There are anti-abortion dems, and at least one "libertarian"ish .democrat
I believe in wealth redistribution, but only if those with the wealth are obscenely rich, to the point of limiting other people's freedom. If the freedom of the individual is prized above everything else, it creates a paradox where the most successful individuals hoard their wealth and slowly create an environment where a huge amount of other people are unable to do whatever they want due to social and economic instability and inequality (see: much of the modern western world).
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The was a strange phenomenon, the "salt of the heart" and "heartland" people of America, which are bluecollar working class magically viewing a shady fat billionaire New Yorker as their champion; who was going to break the very system which made and keeps him filthy rich. They got conned and instead of admitting it, they double-down and continue to muck for him
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What about Bill Gates? He doesn't just hoard his wealth and sit on it like Scrooge McDuck. Obviously he's done great things as a philanthropist. How confident are you in the government's ability to accomplish anything close to what Gates has done? Eradicating Polio is nothing to take lightly.
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People like Gates are a great example of the wealthy using their money for the betterment of mankind. If people were naturally predisposed to being like Gates, then sure, let the companies have at it all they want. As it is, most businessmen are not like Gates, and business often actually hinders progress, e.g. oil and car companies blocking full integration of clean energy-reliant vehicles, and just the whole insanely maldeveloped class system in general.
We're already at a point where the lower/middle classes are being abandoned by businesses in favor of capturing money from the rich and "almost rich". Various supermarkets, for example, have adopted a strategy where all the affordable mass produced junk is replaced with much more expensive "premium" items that would appeal to people living along the shoreline and such..
That's also why drugs get hiked 1000%, and health care expenses keep skyrocketing. More profit in the 10% that has 99% of the wealth, even if that bottom 90% can no longer afford to give you their money (Which is pocket change in comparison.)
I would argue that corporations are good for the poor.
Hear me out.
Corporations have this mass production advantage and an almost untouchable working formula in their services with the BEST people working to keep their automated service to people at the BEST price possible.
This over production means that goods and services could trickle down (mostly cheap materials like food) could go to literally homeless people with a combination of charity.
I was so surprised that when I was at a homeless shelter, I was expecting crap, but I got high quality food, things like corn flakes, milk, a toothbrush with paste. Now, obviously, it was the charity that made that available, but the actual production was due to corporations. This could also be applied to Union Carbide, US steel, Exon, and US oil. The mass production has indeed been beneficial to the poor.
IE, mass production trickles down further and further. I know, most of you might be thinking, democratic collectivism where robot politicians decide who is entitled to what rations, but on the other hand, poor people really do take corporations for granted in how so much production could create such growth over the last century.