Chaos and Order slaying LT doesn't put them above him! Neither does it mean that somehow Chaos and Order are more powerful than the Tribunal.
The Living Tribunal couldn't cast judgement. He basically said he wouldn't do anything. So basically LT allowed them to kill him!
Also, Tiger God didn't defeat Logos. It had to do with them being in the superflow.
Basically what happened was that Logos and the Aspirants had somehow altered the Superflow, which allowed them to break the various laws and things in the Multiverse.
When the Ultimantes managed to defeat the Aspirants, basically Logos began to lose it's power. Even the Aspirants said that the Superflow was reconstructing itself.
Even the First Firmament told Eternity that somehow his defenses managed to defeat the infection caused by him (Refering to the Aspirants and Logos).
So basically Logos and the Aspirants were weakened and later defeated.
I literally disproved that post with my scan, regardless. Chaos and Order literally STATE that because the hierarchy is in flux, the power levels are wonky. This is why Chaos and Order could kill LT.
Regardless, I'll respond to you in a bit, Gogeta.
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The problem with many who have read Galactus is that they forget who Galactus is.
Galactus is a brother to the main Cosmic entities.
The problem with the Purple Galactus was that he never had "FULL POWER"!
Galactus alwasy had to be eating planets in order to increase his strength whilst his siblings (Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion, and Death) were always in control and had full power.
Cosmic Entities like Chaos and Order were above Galactus (in terms of power) due to him never having full power.
However, in the 8th Iteration of the Multiverse Galactus finally achieved full power! He became Lifebringer Galactus!
When Chaos and Order decided to confront him, they failed to defeat him. Galactus is Above these two in terms of power. Reason why Chaos and Order had to merge into Logos to be able to overcome Galactus.
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Well, a standard Galactus (one who's fed on 1 planet or is looking to feed on something, but isn't necessarily starving) is way above the likes of Odin, who at his best ranges from multi-galaxy + to universal levels of power. Odin unleashes all of his power on Galactus, causing him to go into the Odin-sleep, while Galactus simply gets up right after.
Now, the Galactus that fought the Mad Celestials is a whole different animal. This Galactus had fed on 4 planets to prepare for his fight against them, and he was taking the 4 of them on simultaneously and winning. Keep in mind that Celestials absolutely SHIT on the likes of Skyfathers such as Odin (who, again, is multi-galaxy + to universal levels of power, with a shitton of Odin-force haxx as well).
So Mad Celestials!Galactus is wielding raw power orders of magnitude beyond multi-galaxy +/universe level beings. This is not taking into account the haxx that the power cosmic affords him. For reference, here's what Silver Surfer can do with it, and he's a mere herald of Galactus. Galactus can also manipulate time and space to his whims. I don't think Beerus can nullify any of this haxx, if I'm being really honest with you. Not only that, but MadCelestials!Galactus absolutely has raw power rivaling Beerus.
For what it's worth, Galactus' fight with Scrier/Other was threatening to destroy creation:
Odin is not universal, by any means. All of his best showings that aren't hyperbole or something along those lines, are at galaxy-multi galaxy level. Again, this isn't very impressive compared to Beerus. It would be the equivalent of Kid Buu using all his energy to attack Beerus before hibernating, and Beerus getting up afterwards. That's not very impressive, at all.
Once again, even assuming that the Celestials are universal, they're still on a comparable level to the GoD's, of which Beerus took on 8 at once. What's more impressive, holding the edge in a fight against 4 universe level beings, or 8 of them?
Not to mention, Beerus has casually nullified everything he has tried to nullify in DBS thus far. Any universal energies that threatened all of creation, mean nothing to him. He literally CASUALLY nullified these energies as if they were nothing. I don't see matter manipulation working on a being that's above Galactus in terms of raw power. Isn't that how this works? Matter manipulation doesn't work if your matter is too strong for the manipulator to move? Isn't that why Superman doesn't just get atomized by half of the people he fights? Well it would take a staggering amount of energy to disrupt Beerus' durability, and even universe busting energies don't come anywhere close.
I don't see Galactus being able to put out enough power to overwhelm Beerus and his own energy output. He can casually hurl universe busting ki blasts like confetti. That, coupled with his hakai, and his own durability, put him above Galactus imo.
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And a standard Galactus is solidly above Odin, much less a Galactus after having fed on four planets. Remember, each of the Celestials shit on Odin, and Galactus was solo'ing them on his own.
And the comparison between Beerus fighting 8 GoD's as if he's actually = 8 GoD's is a bit dishonest imo. I can just as quickly show you Sidra easily blocking Beerus' ki attack, Vermod placing Beerus and all the other Gods of Destruction in bubbles and raining hell upon them, and Ramod's battle roar leaving Beerus and all the other GoD's absolutely paralyzed. Everyone was getting licks on everyone in that fight. The best we can say is that Beerus, along with Quitela, are the strongest Gods of Destruction. But they're all relative.
So again, regarding Galactus, we're left with this:
A cosmic entity who, in his standard levels of power, is solidly/far beyond the likes of Odin, who in terms of power ranges from casually multi-galaxy + to universal levels of power.
A cosmic entity who, after having consumed 4 planets, is overwhelming the 4 mad celestials simultaneously, even managing to kill one. Celestials being far above the likes of Odin, who again ranges from casually multi-galaxy + to universal.
A cosmic entity who, in his standard levels of power, was actually threatening to destroy all of Creation in his battle with Scrier and Other.
A cosmic entity who can warp reality and manipulate time and space to his whims. We have no reason Beerus can nullify such techniques solely based on his ability to nullify ki, even if we equalize 'verses (for example, can we really say Beerus can just "nullify" something like Hit's time skip? We have no way of knowing). We even see that Beerus + level beings such as Jiren have to adapt to something as relatively mundane as Hit's time skip. Galactus' time and reality warping powers INFINITELY outstrip Hit's or anything we've seen in DBS, by a vast margin.
And again, I DO think that Beerus would solidly defeat a standard Galactus. I'm not even 100% sure regarding Mad Celestials!Galactus. I just don't see how, accounting for the above, we can rationalize Beerus definitively or easily coming out on top.
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While I am a bit ignorant on the many facets of Marvel, compared to my knowledge of other publications, as I've outright admitted in the past, even I know that what you just posted is erroneous.
1. The realms of Yggdrasil are not universes, nor are they in any way comparable to such a vastness. The nine realms are quite literally planets.
Odin created a prison on a distant planet, and sealing a planet. His feats are far less impressive than you're giving him credit.
2. Surtur's flame wasn't universe busting, lol. Not anymore than Frieza was a universe buster when he showed up. Destroying the universe over a long period of time, because no one would be able to stop you =/= Universe busting with one attack, like Beerus is MORE than capable of doing.
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Even Champa, Beerus' WEAKER brother is able to destroy universes casually, with a single attack.
3. I was not, by any means, insinuating that Beerus is > or = 8 GoD's. In fact, Quitela himself is just as strong as Beerus, if not even stronger.
However, Galactus fighting 4 celestials ALSO doesn't mean he's as strong as 4 celestials combined.
My point is that Beerus is clearly on a level where some of the weaker GoD's, even the weakest of which still being above universe level according to Whiss, are weak to him in comparison.
4. Beerus and Champa were threating to destroy all of creation with their battle too, lol. IIRC, even Buuhan was going to destroy "all of creation" when he was screaming against Vegetto. That feat is impressive, but almost anytime someone says "all of creation", it's hyperbole. No matter what, there is still going to be SOMEthing that exists. Unless we're talking about a being like TOAA, or God, here.
5. (please log in to view the image)Beerus was able to CASUALLY nullify universe busting energies. Even universe busting energies are beyond Galactus, unless he's at 100%. This is a level that is casual for Beerus.
While the time manipulation might present a problem for Beerus, I just can't see it being able to end the fight, especially not before Beerus just outright douses him with countless of universe ending energy blasts, and overwhelming Galactus entirely.
If they're both in character here, let's be honest. Galactus would try to vaporize Beerus with a thought, be surprised it doesn't work because Beerus nullified the energy with ease, and then proceed to fight him with sheer strength, before being overwhelmed by Beerus' sheer destructive capacity. AFIK, Galactus has never fought someone with Beerus' level of sheer dc, where destroying universes literally requires as little effort as eating some sushi.
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Newsflash sport, the mcu and comics is quite different.
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Okay, even assuming Galactus can INFLUENCE the ENTIRE universe AT ONCE, that doesn't mean he's capable of universe busting with a single attack.
Universe busting is LITERALLY CHILD'S PLAY FOR BEERUS.
My point is that Beerus outputs a staggeringly high amount of sheer energy, which is far greater than Galactus' limit. This wouldn't be enough to win, if Beerus didn't have the ability to nullify any energy that is weaker than his, WHICH HE DOES.
Even if Galactus tried to warp him into the past, Beerus could simply nullify it, by "turning the energy into nothing".
I will go ahead and be the first to admit that I'm making an assumption here, about Beerus being able to nullify Galactus' time warping- but there is substantial evidence to suggest him being able to stop Galactus. Unless you want to go ahead and assume that Time-skip would work on Beerus (when it doesn't even work on Goku). It's a long-running theme in DB for someone to be able to shrug off hax simply by being strong enough.
Besides, if Galactus needs time manipulation to kill Beerus, it's because Beerus is far stronger than him in the first place. Meaning that bearing BFR, Beerus > Galactus, and would win in a fight.
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