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Oh, and that reminds me of this video. Affirmative action leads to unethical practices like thisówhich I would totally do myself btw.



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Forgot formatting is fked up

https://youtu.be/iwMzZtU5H7I


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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think this is fair but University's do need some wiggle room on who to chose. Affirmative action does good and bad but if it wasn't present, it'd be full of legacies and deep pockets, the institution itself would suffer. Imo, a person with a 3.5 GPA coming from poverty is a far more qualified candidate than someone with a 3.9 GPA coming from wealth.

Coming from low income areas, with poor education, lack of resources, pressure from society AND family (Often) to not pursue higher education, the drive and determination needed to even qualify for Harvard? Shits tough. Low income areas are riddled with drugs, underfunding, lack of support.

Socoll what background are you from in terms of socio-economic? You should visit some of the high schools in the poor areas around you. Get an idea of the "resources" available.
Bingo! Rage nails it too!


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Somebody should have told these guys they were too poor and needed to wait for help before they could become successful.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bill...ng-2013-12?IR=T


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Somebody should have told these guys they were too poor and needed to wait for help before they could become successful.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bill...ng-2013-12?IR=T
Haha, compare that to the billionaires who came from something. Silly Rabbit!


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Haha, compare that to the billionaires who came from something. Silly Rabbit!


It doesn't refute that you can succeed even in poverty. Whether it's harder or not doesn't matter if you are willing to put in the work.


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None of the jobs you just listed require any sort of skill or achievement to where affirmative action is needed to get in lol.


You think anyone/everyone is qualified to be a Police Officer, Fire Fighter or Medical Emergency person? Serious?

But there were cases where departments hired due to skin color/race first and foremost over testing and skill level, to meet the quotes set my AA.


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You think anyone/everyone is qualified to be a Police Officer, Fire Fighter or Medical Emergency person? Serious?

But there were cases where departments hired due to skin color/race first and foremost over testing and skill level, to meet the quotes set my AA.


Well there are entrance requirements for those jobs so if there's an issue, it's with the requirements.


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If any form of positive discrimination is to take place, it should be simply towards those from impoverished backgrounds, regardless of skin colour. This race thing is really just becoming a fetish to make people feel good about themselves and get PR by being "diverse".

But of course that will never happen, because what folks really don't like are poor people. sad



Hmmm...not sure how I feel about thoroughly agreeing with a point you've made.


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Hmmm...not sure how I feel about thoroughly agreeing with a point you've made.
Warm and fuzzy DDM? smile I just did when I agreed with this post of yours! thumb up


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Like I said, I'm for lowering tuition rates so that it is affordable for low income families, but I am not for lowering the standard.


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Like I said, I'm for lowering tuition rates so that it is affordable for low income families, but I am not for lowering the standard.
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Well there are entrance requirements for those jobs so if there's an issue, it's with the requirements.


Yes, and to my first post, people with higher test scores (mental/physical) were left at the curb over people who meet the requirements of the job, but still had lower test scores. IMO, you want the best people for those types of jobs.

Edit: Look at this way: Let's say a "70" is required to be a Police Officer in testing. Dan scored a 94 and Bill scored a 77. Yet Bill was hired over Dan to meet an AF quoted.


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I think what a lot of you are directly or indirectly talking about is Socioeconomic Mobility.

There are several factors in SeM and I think the Brookings Institution has done a great job compiling this list of 13 "Economic Facts about Social Mobility and the Role of Education":

https://www.brookings.edu/research/...e-of-education/

This is a nicely formatted website with collapsable sections...which I liked. Sorry, easily impressed by silly website features.


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I wonder how you haven't been banned again. lol


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I wonder how you haven't been banned again. lol


He's a super reasonable sock, that's why.


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You think anyone/everyone is qualified to be a Police Officer, Fire Fighter or Medical Emergency person? Serious?

But there were cases where departments hired due to skin color/race first and foremost over testing and skill level, to meet the quotes set my AA.
I (remember, immature 18 year old) became an EMT with ZERO effort involved. Never studied outside of class, yet received an A in the class. Any knucklehead with a pulse who can pass a drug test can get inójust like a TSA agent.


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And lol of course the type of school you go to matters. I went to a private school and guarantee I would be 10x the dumbass I am had I stayed in public schools.

Of course there are people like Ben Carson who climbed out of poverty and crime and go on to do amazing things, but even he relied on some level of affirmative action to get into Yale.

And no you cannot buy your way into Harvard unless you're Bill Gate's or Bush's kid. My counselor said that unless you're rich enough to buy the school a new building, having money will not help.


It's about location too. I went to private schools, but they were super shitty. They essentially just added religion to the mix. I know some free public schools that were superior to the schools I went to that charged tuition.


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I think what a lot of you are directly or indirectly talking about is Socioeconomic Mobility.

There are several factors in SeM and I think the Brookings Institution has done a great job compiling this list of 13 "Economic Facts about Social Mobility and the Role of Education":

https://www.brookings.edu/research/...e-of-education/

This is a nicely formatted website with collapsable sections...which I liked. Sorry, easily impressed by silly website features.


So rich people have an advantage, but poor people are getting programs to help. Pretty much what I was saying. I liked the article by the way. Although the drop down menus kept throwing the text above the screen so I had to scroll up to read each point.


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