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Flyattractor
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Well I should hope so...Especially after that "Not necessarily Legal but Decriminalized" Line.


But ya know what. It is now Turkey Day. I aint putting up with this shit until the weekend. PITS OFF LOOSERS!!!!!!!!


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oh dear.


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No, it hardly makes a difference.

Not necessarily legal, but decriminalized.

This video does a much better job at explaining why than I ever could and I sincerely suggest you watch it:




As I pointed out in the OP, drug related incarceration doesn't even comprise a majority. However, it is still a huge chunk.


I did not know about Switzerland's heroin issue and harm reduction policy. That's fascinating. Amazing. It is very cool what using legit science and research can do when it informs public policy. I'd like to see the US try this.


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This doesn’t really make sense when you think about it, though. The US is certainly not the only country in the world that has the means and capacity to punish people and have them thrown in jails. Even when you look at totalitarian countries such as China where you can be jailed for all kinds of stupid crap, it still doesn’t have as many prisoners as the US. And even if that was true, how come there’s still so much crime in the US, especially places like Chicago? Shouldn’t every criminal be in jail by now? It almost seems to me that the more people you imprison, the more crime there is.
Everybody has the capacity to throw people in jails. We just have the most capacity since we have the most money. Same reason why Our military is way bigger than theirs... I believe it comes down to budget. I doubt China has anywhere near the capacity to lock up all of their criminals... in fact, they probably have to turn a blind eye on some criminals in order to make room for the political prisoners.

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Everybody has the capacity to throw people in jails. We just have the most capacity since we have the most money. Same reason why Our military is way bigger than theirs... I believe it comes down to budget. I doubt China has anywhere near the capacity to lock up all of their criminals... in fact, they probably have to turn a blind eye on some criminals in order to make room for the political prisoners.

There are plenty of First World countries who have more than enough money and capacity to do so if they wished(some of them are even wealthier than the US per capita). Now I don't know about China, but they take crime pretty seriously last I heard. Not to mention, it's a country of 1.4 billion people, so even if they let half of their criminals walk around free, it'd still have many more prisoners than the US.


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It is very cool what using legit science and research can do when it informs public policy. I'd like to see the US try this.
I'd like to see them try it too. laughing out loud


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There are plenty of First World countries who have more than enough money and capacity to do so if they wished(some of them are even wealthier than the US per capita). Now I don't know about China, but they take crime pretty seriously last I heard. Not to mention, it's a country of 1.4 billion people, so even if they let half of their criminals walk around free, it'd still have many more prisoners than the US.
The countries that are richer per capita are also smaller and probably have far less crime.

China is a completely different scenario and isn't really useful for comparison purposes since they throw people in prison for being the wrong religion. I dunno if they just don't have much crime cause people are too scared of the state or if they just let people get away with shit out of lack of funds... but despite their lower prison population they do manage to execute the most people yearly.

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The countries that are richer per capita are also smaller and probably have far less crime.

China is a completely different scenario and isn't really useful for comparison purposes since they throw people in prison for being the wrong religion. I dunno if they just don't have much crime cause people are too scared of the state or if they just let people get away with shit out of lack of funds... but despite their lower prison population they do manage to execute the most people yearly.

Well yeah, but that's the point of looking at things per capita. If a country like Germany wanted to imprison the same percentage of its population as the US, it would easily have both the money and the capacity to do so.


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I'd like to see them try it too. laughing out loud


Only the Left can use "Made Up Science" to scare and force others to do what they want.


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No, it hardly makes a difference.

Not necessarily legal, but decriminalized.

This video does a much better job at explaining why than I ever could and I sincerely suggest you watch it:



LOL! My Fave Part of the vid was how it commented on how the War on DRUGS has Negatively affected Millions of People, but No Mention of how Drug Use has Negatively Affected People... SO yeah...
eek!


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LOL! My Fave Part of the vid was how it commented on how the War on DRUGS has Negatively affected Millions of People, but No Mention of how Drug Use has Negatively Affected People... SO yeah...
eek!

Yeah, because the War on Drugs didn't actually reduce drug use in any substantial way, if at all.


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So we should just dismantle all aspects of "Law Enforcement"
Because that would be the Easiest thing to do.

Gotchya.


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So we should just dismantle all aspects of "Law Enforcement"
Because that would be the Easiest thing to do.

Gotchya.

Where did you get that idea from? Did anything I ever say or anything the video said suggest we get rid of law enforcement?


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From the Prevailing Mentality of " Since we Can't Stop It, we Should't TRY". Can't Stop Rape, Can't Stop Murder, Can't Stop Theft, Can't Stop Drugs. SHOULDN'T even TRY!

Pretty much sums it up for the Modern Left.


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From the Prevailing Mentality of " Since we Can't Stop It, we Should't TRY". Can't Stop Rape, Can't Stop Murder, Can't Stop Theft, Can't Stop Drugs. SHOULDN'T even TRY!

Pretty much sums it up for the Modern Left.

That's not quite true. We should still try to stop large-scale production of drugs and illegal importation(smuggling) of drugs, especially hard drugs. Though that hasn't been working out too well either, and the efficiency of such enforcement is low.

What we really should stop doing is treating drug usage or small-scale possession as crimes and throwing people in jails for it. We should focus on harm reduction and rehabilitation because that's what will ultimately reduce drug usage and minimize damage to society as a whole.


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Ok so I ask again.. Which "DRUGS" should be "Decriminalized"??

Or should I just go with the "MY drugs are Ok, but Your's are not" concept?


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Ok so I ask again.. Which "DRUGS" should be "Decriminalized"??

Or should I just go with the "MY drugs are Ok, but Your's are not" concept?

All drugs should be decriminalized. And I trust you know the difference between legalization and decriminalization.


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Why don't you give us YOUR Definition of it just so we are clear.


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Why don't you give us YOUR Definition of it just so we are clear.

Legalization = you can walk into a store and buy the drug openly and legally(think weed in Colorado).
Decriminalization = you won't have criminal charges pressed against you for usage or small-scale possession of a drug.


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How Small? Let me guess. You are a big Dope Addict?

Much like your On Line name. You need Weed to be what you would deem "Truly Happy"?

Or to be more accurate. "ARTIFICIALLY HAPPY"?

Goes back to the point. We shouldn't fight crime.


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