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Sheevism vs Vitidiocy - which ideology triumphed in the end?
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Azronger
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Yeah, an utter failure


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FreshestSlice
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Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Snoke is the canon Valkorion. smile

Hang yourself.

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Originally posted by Azronger
Yeah, an utter failure


[SPOILER - highlight to read]: At least Snoke was cleverly outwitted by his apprentice.

Sidious was chucked down a shaft by an armless cyborg. He sure read Vader's intent there, as Vader looked back and forth, obviously feeling torn.

You blow Sidious way too hard.


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Azronger
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Originally posted by The Lost
[B][SPOILER - highlight to read]: At least Snoke was cleverly outwitted by his apprentice.

Sidious was chucked down a shaft by an armless cyborg. He sure read Vader's intent there, as Vader looked back and forth, obviously feeling torn.


Yeah, that's because he didn't care if he died.

The Emperor's confidence rested on a sure knowledge of what he had become... and what the Dark Side could do for him. He seemed open to all the possibilities of the moment: Luke's death, Vader's death... even his own death.

No matter what the outcome of this terrible confrontation, he, Emperor Palpatine, would conquer.


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Even in Canon, Sheev could have saved himself, but lost control of his emotions.

When at last he reaches the open shaft he hurls the Emperor down into the reactor. It's a long, long way down and the Emperor fires his lightning upward as he falls.

He might still have used his powers to save himself, but his hate is now so strong his only thought is to cause Vader more pain. So the lightning continues to flicker and flash even after the body is out of sight.


Return of the Jedi: Beware the Power of the Dark Side


It's a meh explanation but better than Snoke getting betrayed and killed by Kylo Ren while talking big about how Kylo wouldn't betray him. Not to mention Sheev had way more successes throughout his career, both in Canon and Legends thumb up

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You blow Sidious way too hard.


thumb down Kinda impossible to blow a guy who has no dick.


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Originally posted by Azronger
Yeah, that's because he didn't care if he died.

The Emperor's confidence rested on a sure knowledge of what he had become... and what the Dark Side could do for him. He seemed open to all the possibilities of the moment: Luke's death, Vader's death... even his own death.

No matter what the outcome of this terrible confrontation, he, Emperor Palpatine, would conquer.


Dark Empire Endnotes


Don't care about Legends. Talking about the films.

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Even in Canon, Sheev could have saved himself, but lost control of his emotions.

When at last he reaches the open shaft he hurls the Emperor down into the reactor. It's a long, long way down and the Emperor fires his lightning upward as he falls.

He might still have used his powers to save himself, but his hate is now so strong his only thought is to cause Vader more pain. So the lightning continues to flicker and flash even after the body is out of sight.


Return of the Jedi: Beware the Power of the Dark Side


It's a meh explanation but better than Snoke getting betrayed and killed by Kylo Ren while talking big about how Kylo wouldn't betray him. Not to mention Sheev had way more successes throughout his career, both in Canon and Legends thumb up


Spoiler tags, dude.

Yeah, it is "meh." What a clown. Tossed around like a wild dog's corpse. Yeah, [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Snoke did talk that smack and was clouded by the fact that his apprentice wouldn't betray him but was still cleverly outmaneuvered when Kylo played on Snoke's reading of his intentions. A lot better than getting picked up by 127 Hours and chucked into a hole. Snoke took a solid outwitting to be put down. Sidious just wasn't paying attention and got 86'd.


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thumb down Kinda impossible to blow a guy who has no dick.


Yet you make it happen, which showcases just how hard you blow this character.


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The_Tempest
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"Cleverly outnabeuvered" lmao.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Snoke was reading Kylo's mind as Kylo turned that lightsaber and still somehow missed what was going on. As he was giving the DVD commentary to his own death.

Palpatine, on the other hand, was actually distracted and taken off guard by torturing Luke. And he still managed to kill his attacker, the guy that Snoke and Kylo both are apparently in love with.

Not sure you wanna do this, old friend. lol

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thumb down Kinda impossible to blow a guy who has no dick. [/B]

Yet another way he's inferior to Snoke, in addition to power in the Force..

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Nephthys
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Originally posted by The_Tempest
"Cleverly outnabeuvered" lmao.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Snoke was reading Kylo's mind as Kylo turned that lightsaber and still somehow missed what was going on. As he was giving the DVD commentary to his own death.


[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Kylo was setting it up so Snoke could feel his intentions and the actions that he was performing against both him and Rey at the same time. So while Snoke thought he was sensing Kylo pointing his saber at Rey, he was doing it to Snoke too and "killing his true enemy" was actually him killing Snoke. It was pretty clever.


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"Clever"


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Originally posted by The_Tempest
"Cleverly outnabeuvered" lmao.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Snoke was reading Kylo's mind as Kylo turned that lightsaber and still somehow missed what was going on. As he was giving the DVD commentary to his own death.


Yeah. Clearly. Can't stutter on a keyboard.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: I mean, is there honestly anything to really do here? Snoke was focused on the advantages he was taking out of Ren. He had his eyes closed (showing this on his face) after going on about how he couldn't be beaten and was sure Kylo would follow orders. Kylo used this to his advantage because Kylo knows Snoke can read his intentions and knows what Kylo will do and Kylo doesn't have actual intentions of killing Rey so he uses this duality to outmaneuver Snoke. Yes, outmaneuver.

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Palpatine, on the other hand, was actually distracted and taken off guard by torturing Luke. And he still managed to kill his attacker, the guy that Snoke and Kylo both are apparently in love with.


Yeah, he was distracted. It's why I said he wasn't paying attention. You like Sidious so much, you're seemingly becoming him. Yes, yes, he killed his attacker. Don't worry, no one forgot that the greatest and most amazing Star Wars character killed Vader. Sheesh.

I mean... Dude still got discarded like a moldy sandwich. Real talk.

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Nephthys
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"Clever"


It was honestly the only way out of the situation and was the perfect way to take advantage of Snoke's telepathy and hubris.


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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: The trick worked because Snoke was unable to pick up on the critical details of Kylo's intentions. In other words, his telepathy isn't very good, his hubris being that he thought otherwise.


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Azronger
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Why is every jackass always attempting to dethrone ol' Papa Sheev? First it was Vitiate, now Snoke. Why do people hate the original big bad so much?


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The Vitidiocy might not be over just yet. We'll see what this new expansion brings.


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Azronger
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Vitidiocy will never go away. Perhaps this little war of ours will resume if he gets new feats, though. The Vitidiots will desperately latch onto anything to gain an advantage, even if it's total shit in reality. It's in their nature.


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It was honestly the only way out of the situation and was the perfect way to take advantage of Snoke's telepathy and hubris.


What? Having him narrate his own death and die in a way that left him impotent and unimportant? Yes, that was very "clever" writing.


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Nephthys
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Firstly, I was talking about Ren's plan being smart not the storytelling aspect.

Secondly, **** Snoke. I particularly don't care who he was or where he came from. Killing him off midway through the 2nd movie is probably the most interesting thing they could have done with him tbh. If he comes back and is interesting in his own right then cool but if he had to get short-changed for the far more interesting Kylo Ren to take center stage then its worth it.


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Ah, fair enough. In universe it was clever on Ren's part and I actually don't mind what the action does for Ren's character. Only what it did for Snoke's.

I think completely sacrificing Snoke's potential to create an interesting story path for Ren is the wrong choice. They could have done both.


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Sheevism won back in 2007 with Lightsnake, Gideon and co. The rest has mostly centered around other modern characters following suit and triumphing (.i.e. the Anakin movement).


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Seems like the lost is upset over Snoke getting offed as soon as he arrived. Not everyone can be as successful and iconic as Palpatine. Try not to get so emotional.


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