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Thx for all the responses guy! super fun reading all of this! big grin

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Originally posted by Galan007
Not exactly. Cell was treating FPSSJ Goku like an equal/peer, even though he [Cell] still wasn't using his full power during their fight.

ASSJ Vegeta was unable to faze a heavily suppressed Perfect Cell. USSJ Trunks was stated to be more powerful than that SAME, heavily suppressed, Perfect Cell.

After all, we know Cell wasn't implying that USSJ Trunks > his own *maximum* power, because at the end of their battle Cell displayed the SAME USSJ-esque transformation/amp as Trunks, just to mock him:
https://i.imgur.com/fBiZvzP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U5Wve8Y.jpg
IOW, at any point Cell could have bulked-up and started cranking out the same raw ki as USSJ Trunks -- he simply *chose* not to. Based on that alone we know, for a fact, that Cell was only comparing USSJ Trunks to his current, heavily suppressed level... Because even that bulked-up form was still nowhere near his 'full' power.

As mentioned above: Trunks, Vegeta, Piccolo and Krillin simply would not have been awestruck by the ki FPSSJ Goku was generating if USSJ Trunks had already generated a ki =/> full power Perfect Cell. Heck, Krillin(who personally sensed the power of USSJ Trunks at ground zero) explicitly stated: "[Goku's] CHI is immeasurable..! He's beyond ALL of us!":
https://i.imgur.com/rIOkTbD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cWpmt9Q.jpg
*And that's aside from Trunks himself(after training in the RoSaT a SECOND time, mind you) stating that Goku's chi was "unbelievable"...


tl;dr
All context considered, this is how I view the *raw ki* output of these characters:
Perfect Cell(power-weighted) > Perfect Cell(full power) > Perfect Cell(slightly suppressed) ~ FPSSJ Goku >>> USSJ Trunks = Perfect Cell(bulked-up) > Perfect Cell(heavily suppressed) >>> ASSJ Vegeta.


maybe its just cus i havent read or watched the cell saga for a long time, but I didn't realize prefect Cell had so many different transformations and levels. good stuff tho. big grin


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maybe its just cus i havent read or watched the cell saga for a long time, but I didn't realize prefect Cell had so many different transformations and levels. good stuff tho. big grin
They aren't transformations, per se(though the power-weighted version could certainly be seen as such, given the extreme physical change) -- they're essentially just various levels of Perfect Cell's power.

This is 'power-weighted' Cell- seen when he became enraged with SSJ2 Gohan:
https://i.imgur.com/gEWxyaC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9tiPVDA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kynxKZl.jpg

This is Cell's 'full power'- seen against SSJ2 Gohan:
https://i.imgur.com/uSwhlK9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xZQIjI7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oK14gSL.jpg

This is Cell's 'slightly suppressed' state- seen when he powered up substantially against FPSSJ Goku:
https://i.imgur.com/csNvDdy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/B8bdseb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yjfMktR.jpg

This, again, is Cell's 'bulked-up/USSJ-esque' power- seen when he trolled Trunks:
https://i.imgur.com/fBiZvzP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U5Wve8Y.jpg

This is Cell's 'heavily suppressed' state- seen just after absorbing #18, and fighting ASSJ Vegeta + USSJ Trunks w/o ever powering up:
https://i.imgur.com/c9qR2kA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ib9IGPy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wBDVm2N.jpg


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Cell would reach SSBx20KK in two months.

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No joke.

First and foremost, Cell has the potential of Goku/Vegeta AND Freeza -- and we've seen the tremendous leaps they can make in very short periods of time ala DBS. He's also got Freeza's ability to *survive* damn near ANY injury, and Piccolo's ability to *heal* damn near ANY injury. On top of that, we know Cell's body has the innate ability of 'keeping' power after sampling it(that's why he still grew back into his 'Perfect' form, even without #18) -- not to mention the Saiyan trait of receiving zenkais from battle/injury, and becoming more and more powerful as the fight progresses... So knowing what we know now, just imagine what Cell could accomplish with the same 4 months of training as Freeza!? F*cking insane... messed


The only other character in the franchise with *that* sort of latent potential is Pure Boo, imo. Think about it: Pure Boo was already SSJ3 Goku-level, and I highly doubt that he had ever formally trained a day in his life -- all he did for eons was go through random periods of destruction and hibernation, until Bibidi found a way seal him in the 'Boo-Ball'. Thus, any increases in power that Pure Boo gained over the years were from either a.) his ability to adapt/evolve to his opponents on the fly, or b.) via absorption... So just imagine if he were to buckle down and actually train for a while..? I believe his gains would blow those of even Freeza out of the water.

And on that note, I'd bet that's why Oob will be so special in the future. He is the [good hearted] reincarnation of Pure Boo, after all, so he should have Boo's level of latent potential. Even factoring in the events of DBS thus far, it makes sense why EoZ Goku would be so excited at the thought of training Oob -- the potential there is staggering, tbh.


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We did have Fat Buu train a bit prior to the tournament where he quickly lost weight and became “Fit Buu” for a short time, and gave Goku a run for his money in a little spar (ringed him out), but of course with how Toei likes to treat Buu, they had him go in a deep sleep again at the last minute so he wouldn’t be part of the main action. Sure, Frieza coming in was a neat tradeoff and all, but doesn’t really excuse the repeated neglect for Buu, which one could argue is even worse than how Tien got shafted.


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Originally posted by Galan007
True. thumb up


Base GT Goku also effortlessly trounced Cell(I'm assuming he would've still been SPC) and Freeza, as though they were laughably weak fodder. What's more, Cell and Freeza had both been training extensively, and were each a good deal more powerful than they originally were.

*And for what it's worth- even at the start of BoG/DBS, base Goku was still weaker than Freeza. So yeah...


Don't forget about this...



Base Goku beat the SSJ out of Gohan and Goten, when they were controlled by Baby.


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