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Surtur
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Oh and fining someone even a single cent for using the wrong pronoun is unacceptable.


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I've said it before... I believe in negotiation. So I won't insist on just two genders. But I do think we should be able to settle on 5. Anything more than 5 seems a bit much.

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I've said it before... I believe in negotiation. So I won't insist on just two genders. But I do think we should be able to settle on 5. Anything more than 5 seems a bit much.


Later today you and I will be negotiating what 2+2 equals. Surely you won't insist on just one answer.


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Gender is binary.


Textbook genderism.


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People can act or dress however the **** they want, I'm not gonna be a dick just to be a dick, and I'll even refer to them with the pronouns of their opposite sex if they ask. I will not however become a mouthpiece for language I detest with this "xe zir zippitybop" nonsense


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People can act or dress however the **** they want, I'm not gonna be a dick just to be a dick, and I'll even refer to them with the pronouns of their opposite sex if they ask. I will not however become a mouthpiece for language I detest with this "xe zir zippitybop" nonsense


If they call me "King" I will call them whatever pronoun they want.

Actually scratch that, nope. Calling me king isn't enough. I need to be treated like the thing I believe I am. So bow and courtsy when greeting me, depending on which gender you identify as. If they don't like it? They don't care bout muh feelings.


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Sir will do just fine.


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Anyways, Steve you do know saying the things you have said about transgender issues more or less makes you an apostate, right? Or at least it would here.

I wonder how you feel about the UK equivalent of the girl scouts now allowing boys who identify as girls to join and shower and change with the other girls? I just heard that announced lol. The reason given is that it could cause "anxiety" if this was not allowed.

That I can genuinely believe, mental illness tends to cause anxiety.


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Later today you and I will be negotiating what 2+2 equals. Surely you won't insist on just one answer.
right but I feel this is a less straight forward question than 2+2

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By liberal you mean leftist, because actual liberalism and socialism are mutually exclusive ideologies.

Despite the way people make use of the term, liberalism is not synonymous left-wing.
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I would doubt any studies have been done however. You are saying you don't see gender/sex being linked inherently to sexuality. So what is the biological purpose of gender?
it's hard for me to understand exactly what you mean by the terms sex, gender, and sexuality. You seem to use gender and sex somewhat interchangeably.

The way I understand it, sex is genetic. Gender is a description of certain personality attributes that are typically associated with one sex or the other. Sexuality is who you are attracted to. So the relationship between sex and gender is relatively straight forward. But sexuality is a bit harder to say.

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it's hard for me to understand exactly what you mean by the terms sex, gender, and sexuality. You seem to use gender and sex somewhat interchangeably.

The way I understand it, sex is genetic. Gender is a description of certain personality attributes that are typically associated with one sex or the other. Sexuality is who you are attracted to. So the relationship between sex and gender is relatively straight forward. But sexuality is a bit harder to say.


I do see some trans people say gender is a social construct. To which okay...what is the point of surgery then?

Followup: if gender is a social construct why is something like...having a first female president, something to be celebrated?


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I do see some trans people say gender is a social construct. To which okay...what is the point of surgery then?


Some transgender people are also transsexual.




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Followup: if gender is a social construct why is something like...having a first female president, something to be celebrated?


For the same reason race is important, even though it is also a social construct. It may not be "real" in a biological sense, but it is still a system in which people are heavily invested. And the belief of people in the system has consequences for people whether they accept that it is "real" or not.


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I want a woman democrat and a democrat who is a man who is mentally ill and believes he is a woman to both try to get the democrat nomination for president lol. That would be mildly amusing.


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A cisgender woman and a transgender woman running for public office. So funny.


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A cisgender woman and a transgender woman running for public office. So funny.


A mentally ill man and a normal woman, yes funny.


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A mentally ill man and a normal woman, yes funny.


You're afraid to have sex with women, because one might be transgender. We get it.


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You're afraid to have sex with women, because one might be transgender. We get it.


Your posts show you don't get much of anything though.

You seem triggered. Why? Bad day? Boyfriend leave you?


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Your posts show you don't get much of anything though.

You seem triggered. Why? Bad day? Boyfriend leave you?


You are concerned about whether the sex of other people matches their gender presentation, but everyone else is triggered.

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