Here is your problem: there's nothing to discuss with you.
You're a racist shitlord. I've outlined quite clearly where you're f*cking up. There's no rebuttal for this except back-peddling OOOOOR...and this is important: realize you're a racist shitlord and be better.
And stop trying to invoke Surtur's name to try to be right. Everyone else can see where you f*cked up. Surtur is one of the last people who will take your "I don't give a shit about black people" and "anti-white" position.
The twist is a figment of your imagination. You're in no position to try or second guess me or fly's intentions. That you need to do so shows there was nothing wrong with what Fly said.
Also love how no one's touching that you're trying to get him to disclose real life info about himself. What exactly are your reasons for browsing this forum Double D?
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You're sad for me because I'm not even remotely as racist as you are? Wow, what a concession.
You made it obvious you oppose white people things and addressing black issues. Now you're backpedaling when I struck a nerve about your ideal self-image.
I promise you that you have not influenced me to change my mind whatsoever. You struck no nerve.
And I never said I oppose white people things, I said I oppose rich/powerful people who are corrupt. And most of the time, the rich and powerful are white.
Just FYI, my favorite people of all time are also white. I enjoy things that are made by white people and have nothing against that color of skin. Most of my influences and pop culture are white ffs. Tom Hanks is a patron saint, meeting Harrison Ford is on my bucket list, Elon Musk is a savior of humanity, James Cameron movies and Joss Whedon television shaped my childhood, Indiana Jones was my Halloween costume for like 7 years so. If anything, I ****ing LOVE white people lol
You've made that claim for several pages. However, your inability to directly address Firefly or my points tells me you don't have much confidence in how that claim holds up to scrutiny.
That would indicate he changed his position. However his current position:
is the same as his original one:
Last edited by Rockydonovang on Dec 5th, 2017 at 02:33 AM
Actually, DDM is right. The stuff you say does sound racist to me. Let me flip the script a bit and you decide if it’s racist or not if applied to black people:
“And I never said I oppose black people things, I said I oppose violent/murderous people who are criminals. And most of the time, the violent and criminals are black”
Might as well just say:
“I’m not racist, I LOVE rap music (and I have black friends).”
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The OP is a piece of shit firstly, I didn't bother criticizing him because he's just so obviously vile.
DD wasn't the one who started this discussion actually, when Robtard said the problem shouldn't be racialized, Squall attacked him and called him out for having a double standard for racializing issues with white people, such as making a big deal about the skin color of the perpetrator whenever a white person commits a mass shooting, and suggesting that there's something about being "White American men" that is endemic to the problem.
Had Firefly expressed only the opinions he explicitly stated that would be one thing, but he started this entire dialogue by jumping to Robtard's defense and displaying solidarity with his actions on the forum:
Here's the thing right, Robtard's racialization of white mass shooters, and disproportionate emphasis of alt-right protesters of anti-minority hate speech and hate crimes... the vast majority of these white people are not in positions of wealth or societal control, and for the most part are people situated in life in a not particularly extraordinary way, and again this conversation started with Firefly expressing solidarity with Robtard and defending him from criticism and explaining why Robtard's difference in the way he treats white shit and black shit is justifiable. Almost none of Robtard's criticism of white people where he brings their race into it has to do with particularly wealthy or powerful white individuals.
So once again, if Firefly's stance against DD was divorced from a defense of Robtard you'd have much more of a point, but the fact that it was indeed a defense of Robtard means that his stance is still something myself and DD are justifiable in finding disagreeable and your defense of him doesn't really answer my point of contention.
It's possible that Firefly agrees with Robtard's statements and is defending them because of this, it's possible that Firefly acted on impulse to defend what was perceived as an attack on his position without really being fully aware of what he was tying himself into defending and that his defense of Robtard was a miscalculation that doesn't accurately reflect his own points of principle. If he wants to clarify that it's the latter I'm willing to concede and walk back my statement.
Given that on the first page he explicitly defended criticizing white shooters more harshly or being more cautious about criticizing non-white killers however, it seems his views are rather in line with Robtard's.
Here's the thing though, even aside from the defense of Robtard, his own explicit words expressed a double standard.
His post in reply to Surtur at the bottom of page one expressed that anti-white racism and anti-minority racism or anti-islam sentiment should be held to different standards based on the aggregate of identity groups as a whole rather than the specifics of the individual or the specifics of the action or statement being made.
His post in reply to NewGuy also expressed a double standard whereby he expressed a stance that the latter of these two statements was racist while the former was not:
The fact of the matter is that he defends the first statement as not racist by fractionating it to the point of the white individual and saying "people in positions of power doing bad shit should be criticized as individuals and they just happen to be mostly white, nothing to do with criticizing the race or individual for their skin color." But the problem with this is that the statement about black people being structured the exact same way could also be fractionated down to the individual black person in the exact same way "people in committing should be criticized as individuals and they just happen to be mostly black, nothing to do with criticizing the race or individual for their skin color."
Both sentences bear the exact same structure, and you could interpret either statement in a way that draws it down to the level of the individual rather than a criticism of people specifically for their skin color. Therefore, him regarding one statement as racist and the other as not racist is a double standard, and you could argue the source of the underlying issue as Firefly does but at the most favorable interpretation for you and him it would only make the latter statement ill-informed not racist.
And then of course there's the fact that calling the latter of the two statements is a commonly regressive left-wing talking point used to shut down counters to the notion that cops are systemically unjustly killing black people and that the police force as a whole is inherently racist. The fact of the matter is black people are disproportionately shot because they disproportionately commit crime, you can argue that this is symptomatic of issues such as poverty and poor education and shit that should be addressed, but that doesn't change the fact that this statement is correct as a defense of the police force not systemically killing black people.
Quite frankly Rocky that you think you "rekt" me is a joke, and just because you feel a sense of moral satisfaction when you defend other lefties on here doesn't actually mean you hold a position of either moral or intellectual superiority.
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