Beniboybling
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's funny because you outright stated that differences exist but then get angry when others even remotely imply it because anyone who thinks so must be a racist bigot (except for you!!)
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Jan 2nd, 2018 05:04 PM
The Ellimist
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"You have to explain why my argument was a red herring, you can't just say it!"
*posts meme in response to quote that literally answers the aforementioned question (point 2)*
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Jan 2nd, 2018 05:06 PM
snowdragon
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
The freedom to exchange money for goods and services, yeah.
It's not a freedom if people force you to do said exchange, that's where market forces can determine the outcome of a business rather then the govt "pointing a gun" to determine the outcome.
Jan 2nd, 2018 05:08 PM
Beniboybling
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by The Ellimist
"You have to explain why my argument was a red herring, you can't just say it!"
*posts meme in response to quote that literally answers the aforementioned question (point 2)*
wicked burn, man. you got me again.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by snowdragon
It's not a freedom if people force you to do said exchange, that's where market forces can determine the outcome of a business rather then the govt "pointing a gun" to determine the outcome.
It protects the freedom of the person facing discrimination by forcing the businesses to treat them justly, market forces cannot do this and aren't dictated by a solid ethic.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 05:33 PM
Flyattractor
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
wicked burn, man. you got me again.
It protects the freedom of the person facing discrimination by forcing the businesses to treat them justly, market forces cannot do this and aren't dictated by a solid ethic.
What a load of PC SJW BullShit.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 05:35 PM
The Ellimist
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Beni, the way to improve your reputation after Ant made you into a joke isn't to become a Lord Lucien clone.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 05:40 PM
Beniboybling
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Flyattractor
What a load of PC SJW BullShit.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by The Ellimist
Beni, the way to improve your reputation after Ant made you into a joke isn't to become a Lord Lucien clone.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: i for one, like lord lucien
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Jan 2nd, 2018 05:45 PM
The Ellimist
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I sometimes like him too, but you're not very good at emulating him and people don't view him as a horrible debater* so the "wait, is he just doing this to cover up his inadequacies?" doesn't pop up in anyone's minds.
* not that he was a very elite one but few people here remember.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 05:47 PM
dadudemon
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
And no, establishing a policy in which you do not serve or permit entry of certain persons in regards to your business is an action. You are actively refusing them a service that you are providing everyone else. Inaction would be not providing a service or a place of entry in the first place. And that's fine, nobody is suggesting we force bakers to bake gay wedding cakes when they don't provide a wedding cake service in the first place, but if they do, their practice has to comply with discrimination laws.
You're wrong. It is not an action. It is inaction. Okay, now that that is covered and you're clearly wrong, anything substantive to talk about?
You: Make this cake at the threat of violence because it's the law.
Me: You do not have to make a cake if you don't want to.
Obviously, you've some how twisted this discussion into both being actions...because you don't like the fact that you're wrong. So you'd rather play word games? Lame. True sign you have no substantive argument when you have to resort to petty word games instead of addressing the points.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
I will not force people to think or say in a way I like, I will expect people to act in accordance with the law when they do act, and the system of ethics it uploads.
Oh...right...and...aren't you arguing that you want to force a business to do, act, say, and think what you think is right?
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Was this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? Try explaining what aspect of my argument was a red herring.
This has been covered already by others. If others can see it, not sure why you think this troll game works.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 05:48 PM
Flyattractor
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quote: (post ) [i]
Oh...right...and...aren't you arguing that you want to force a business to do, act, say, and think what you think is right?
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Typical Leftist Progressive Thinking.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 05:59 PM
Beniboybling
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by dadudemon
You're wrong. It is not an action. It is inaction. Okay, now that that is covered and you're clearly wrong, anything substantive to talk about?
You: Make this cake at the threat of violence because it's the law.
Me: You do not have to make a cake if you don't want to.
Obviously, you've some how twisted this discussion into both being actions...because you don't like the fact that you're wrong. So you'd rather play word games? Lame. True sign you have no substantive argument when you have to resort to petty word games instead of addressing the points.
Wow, u got me, I don't even know where to begin in tackling this robust and comprehensive response.
quote: Oh...right...and...aren't you arguing that you want to force a business to do, act, say, and think what you think is right?
quote: I will not force people to think or say in a way I like, I will expect people to act in accordance with the law when they do act, and the system of ethics it uploads.
I think I meant what I said...
quote: This has been covered already by others. If others can see it, not sure why you think this troll game works.
No response then, saves me time I guess.
I think your done here, dadoodoo. Until next time.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 06:12 PM
The Ellimist
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Your attempts to imitate Tempest are pretty cringey, lmao.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 06:21 PM
Beniboybling
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Lol, Tempest, Lucien, your mum? Which is it?
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Jan 2nd, 2018 06:35 PM
The Ellimist
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The first two aren't mutually exclusive, lmao. Your grasp of logic is just awful.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 06:39 PM
The Ellimist
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Also did you just assume characteristics based on protected demographic data (gender + age + marital status)? Hypocrite!
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Jan 2nd, 2018 06:40 PM
Beniboybling
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Alright man, maybe go harass Neph instead, I dare say you'll have better luck.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 06:46 PM
The Ellimist
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Again, cringe .
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Jan 2nd, 2018 06:50 PM
The Ellimist
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I do love how I hear crickets in response to the obvious point that you need to grasp group differences if you're going to measure discrimination based on group outcomes. I suspect statistics isn't your strong suit, so maybe a "I don't understand, can you explain it again?" is needed.
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Jan 2nd, 2018 06:52 PM
Beniboybling
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Still rambling on?
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Jan 2nd, 2018 06:54 PM
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