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Originally posted by John Murdoch
Luke stops Logan at 6 like he stopped that SUV: dead in its tracks.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You are saying that Iron Man built his suits prior to the discovery of the 4x GT alloy!

The one who isnt grasping me here is you. Even if Tony's first suit isnt made of the alloy of GT that is 4x stronger than steel, it is still FAR MORE DURABLE than any common steel.

The Gold Titanium alloys range from a 3x to a 4x+ strength when compared to Steel.

That means that the whichever Alloy Tony used it should still Triple that of Cage's feat.

You also forget that Tony is constantly improving and upgrading its suits.

Even if the first models of the MK suit were made of the weaker GT alloy, the MK46 which appeared in Civil War SHOULD possess the 4x stronger alloy.

The 4x GT alloy already existed by the time of Civil War

Am not saying that the shield DIDNT aid Cap in anything.

However if we do math and consider that the shield doubled the force applied Cap would still require 400+MPa to rupture it!

And i mean...A SHIELD! A SHIELD wont really double the force! Not even 1/3 of it!

A shield isnt the tool that would help you rupture a Vault in a Bank. Else i dare you try it.

Cap pierced the Armor. He actually ruptured it. He didnt just scratch it.
890MPa is required for that. No flaw.

According to Agents of Shield which is canonical Cap was able to move a parked Bulldozer across a field while in rehab.

Such Bulldozer should be arroud 60Tons according to the model of the vehicle. That without considering the friction generated!

Since Impediment stated that Movie Statements are valid for debating Cap is a 60tonner.

Can Cage match such weights? Can he surpass that feat?

If so youve won the debate.

Also remember Infinity War is coming....I expect Cap performing something amazing before dying....

So, maybe Cap still got to show his best Strength feat.

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Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
lol dude, just no. I know about the bulldozer. Its actual empty weight is not 60 tons. And that showing is a huge outlier. But, beyond everything else, you're basically arguing that MCU Cap is about as strong as actual 616 Cage. A guy who has done things like carry a commercial truck over several blocks, and stopped a plane from taking off. So, excuse me if I can't be bothered to keep engaging this nonsense.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Juggernaut> A tank.

Feat rebuked.

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Originally posted by John Murdoch
Remind me how that fight between Wolverine and Juggernaut went?

The only thing we could garner from Juggernaut's feat trampling the APC and beating the tar out of Wolverine is that Juggs is far stronger than Wolverine. Guess who else is far stronger than Wolverine by feats? Luke Cage.

Juggernaut plays next to no factor in this gauntlet, as Luke Cage has never fought Juggs.

Luke is well beyond Logan in the strength department just like Juggs, and Logan doesn't have his claws in this one, so Luke's durability will be too much for Logan to overcome as well.

I've read some pretty lopsided threads on this board, and this is one of the cut-and-dry, stick a fork in him he's done matchups. Luke stops Logan cold at round 6. Case closed.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah. The matter is how?

Juggernaut didnt K.O Wolverine. Why should Cage who is weaker than Juggernaut?

How will Cage defeat Wolverine?

Wolverine still got his Adamantium Skeleton which makes him neigh invulnerable.

Wolverine is also faster than Cage. Weve seen Wolverine fighting Ninjas with no major issue.

I see Wolverine having more chances of defeating Cage than Cage of defeating Wolverine.

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Originally posted by John Murdoch
Cage has plenty of feats that show his considerable levels of strength, stamina, and durability. Is Juggernaut stronger? I'd say yes off the top of my head, but Cage has far more feats and more variety in his strength department. Both are plenty strong to handle Logan.

How will Cage defeat Wolverine? Cage could dislocate and then rip off Logan's arms and legs, but that isn't in character I suppose. Cage's boxing skills will eventually wear Logan down for a win.

Even if it takes Luke a long time, what will Logan do to KO Luke? He doesn't have the output without claws to incapacitate Luke. Only chance is repeating the Blob elbow drop, and Luke is too skilled to let that happen.