I'm no modern day profit like Stop the Hate, but I know the Middle-East this will spread throughout the region, the end game could be aimed anywhere but I guarantee blood and fire like so often before. I also guarantee profit for the usual suspects.
Nobody really comes to the Palestinians defense in the Middle East do they? Israel is much too powerful militarily to be fuked with, Hezbollah learn that lesson each time they remotely try something. I think Iran is too busy piss fighting with the Saudis and I’ve never heard of ISIS even attempting to draw the ire of Israel. But who knows what’ll happen, this isn’t gonna go well...
That's not what this is about. It's about the fact that Israel does not have the right to assert Jerusalem as its capital. It is a multicultural city with many religions, primarily Abrahamic ones living there, and many ethnic groups too. The idea of Israel claiming the capital as its own is essentially an act of war, and generally when someone tries to take someone else's home, that's an act of war regardless of religion or nationality. Trump is essentially fanning the flames of war, for no good reason.
Not all Islamic terrorists are the same. Isis for example is taking the 'jihad' overseas and are a particular type of Islam-driven terrorism; whilst Hamas are terrorists who see themselves as freedom fighters against an invading force, and they are also Muslim. They're much more comparable to the IRA than Al Qaeda.
I think it was Adam who said you were uninformed on this topic and I have to agree, you are showing very little background knowledge on the topic. Previous aims were not to 'stop Islamic terrorism', they were to try to resolve border and territory disputes. Trump, taking one particular side, is going to damage many years of work towards a two-state solution, which is seen as the most positive outcome in the situation and the one that causes the least amount of death and destruction.
Yes, because Trump's actions have directly caused that. On the other hand, a child who dies of starvation in palestine has done nothing to provoke either leader and bears no responsibility for the actions of terrorists.
I'm not sure if Surtur knows enough about the situation to know about the terrorist activities many in the Israeli government and military support and enact. He just hears 'Islam' and sees red from what I can tell. Which is a shame, because the topic of Israel / Palestine is a massively complex one and Hamas are just one tiny part of it. But that's all he's focusing on.
I may as well put forward my general view on the topic: I believe Israel has a right to exist, but I fervently disagree with Zionism (just as I disagree with radical Islam and Christian extremism). I think the implementation of the state of Israel was sloppily handled right from the outset, but I still believe a two-state solution is possible, despite the continuing extremism and violence that sects on both sides continue to carry out. The news of Trump's endorsement of Jerusalem as Israel's capital is, as such, a huge blow to the efforts of many other people and groups to bring about a fair solution (and thus peace), and personally I consider it one of the most irresponsible things he has done as president thus far.
Can't say I disagree except (imo) labeling what Trump did here as "irresponsible" is wrong, it's disastrous. There's a reason why past US presidents have not done this and experts of the region say "but why?". It puts the US in a position where it can no longer play mediator, it puts everyone not an Israeli in Jerusalem on notice, it specifically shits on the Palestinians and they've been shit on for a long time and it serves as a rallying cry for Islamic extremist.
I mean, what's the positives here except to give Israel a 'feel-good' feeling? They certainty don't need it from a military or diplomatic standpoint, they already hold all those advantages. I've yet to see a reason from Trumpers other than "it was a promise Trump made", which is just insane when you factor in the negatives.
Edit: I'm actually curious if Ivanka/Jared had a hand in this, whispering in Trump's ear. Kushner's an orthodox Jew and likely an "Israel is for the Jews" proponent. Not that it matters, it was Trump's call in the end
Do also wonder what the Alt-Right squad thinks of this, as it's clearly an "America holds Israel above others first" gesture and those Alt-Right goons certainly do not like Jews one bit.
Remember Christopher Cantwell (aka Cying Nazi Snowflake)? He was very against Trump having a Jewish son-in-law. He was part of the "Jews will not replace us!" march, iirc.
But this is just the beginning. Maybe Trump's idea of "bringing peace to the Middle-East" is having US funded Israel kill every non-Jew/Israeli and then there will be peace I guess?
From what I've heard, Jared has been pushing for this, yes. Kushner was just caught being one of the heads of an organisation that was funding illegal Isreali settlements afterall. But mostly the one pushing for this was Trump's top donor, Sheldon Adelson. He's been pushing Trump to do this for months and has constantly been complaining that Trump isn't doing this.
So really, while it was Trump's call ultimately, in reality its likely that the only reason hes doing this is to satisfy his donors. He announced his plans for this privately to his donors a week ago, before anyone else heard about it. All his cabinet have been telling him not to do this but he's bought and paid for in complete contrast to his campaign promises. Sheldon Adelson is the one you want to look to as the impetus for this imo. Trump himself has evidenced that he knows very little about any of this and is just following orders.
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Well I'm reading up on the Israeli-Palestian conflict because I don't know much about it, and it seems to be that the Israelis essentially support a kind religious fundamentalism, and a form of governing that would treat non-Jewish people as second class citizens. How on Earth is this something the US, the supposed land of the free and what not, throw their full support behind?
And how is that Islam is the only religion that doesn't get a free pass on this?
It also seems apparent to be that this has very little to do with radical Islamic terrorism, aside from an issue they can band wagon themselves onto to propagate anti-west sentiments and radicalise people. Which of course, Trump is feeding into.
I spent 11 days in Israel, was fortunate enough to see several cities/towns going up and down the country, it's rather beautiful and the historical aspects are amazing.
But there is absolutely a 'you're-not-equal-to-us' feeling in regards to non-Jews there; mostly focused against Arabs/Muslims. They're viewed similar in a fashion as many in the US view Mexican immigrants, good for cheap labor and jobs deemed menial, but f--k you if you want a piece of the pie. The Hasidic Jews are the worst offenders of this, even moderate Jews are held in contempt by them.
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And if within the next month or so we do not see a drastic increase in violence, what then?
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