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Brutal Murder of Daniel Shaver

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Brutal murder of Daniel Shaver. Police officer was acquitted. Makes my blood boil.

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****ing hell. What is wrong with these ****ing trigger happy maniacs. There is absolutely no justification for that at all. Sickening.


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“If you make a mistake, another mistake, there is a very severe possibility that you’re both going to get shot. Do you understand?” an officer yells before telling Shaver to “shut up.”


“I’m not here to be tactical and diplomatic with you. You listen. You obey,”

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Clearly someone that needs to be in a position of power where they're armed and authorized to kill


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Someone just put a bullet in this cops head please.

IMO the footage should have been shown during the trial.


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Jesus man. How was he found not guilty?


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The psychotic cop was obviously looking for an excuse to kill the poor bastard and he eventually got one. Not guilty!


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Jesus man. How was he found not guilty?


This might explain part of it.

"The operable word in that sentence is "believe." Tennessee v. Garner introduced the idea that officers did not need to actually be physically threatened in order to use lethal force — they just needed to have "probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or others" in order to use that force.

What looked like a victory for those fighting against police brutality was actually a neutron bomb that would destroy thousands of cases of legitimate instances of police violence. By introducing belief, which apparently does not have to be rooted in fact, into what police are allowed to claim, it is now nearly impossible to prove what officers do or do not believe. The burden of proof to refute the claims of what an officer says he or she believes is so outrageously high, that pretty much the only thing that could contradict it would be a recording or testimony of some type in which it is proven that the officer did not believe they were in danger and is only faking the belief for the sake of the legal case against them. Consequently, once an officer claims that they believed they were in danger, or that the community was in danger, that case, and any case like it, is dead in the water."

"The Supreme Court, in Graham v. Connor, determined that "reasonable use of force" by an officer must be viewed from the perspective of what appeared reasonable in the moment of its application — not from 20/20 hindsight. In other words, even though those Charlotte cops were absolutely wrong to do what they did based on the actual facts of the case, because all of those facts were not available to them when they assaulted Graham and deprived him of medical attention, or even a bottle of juice, they can't be held liable for their actions. Officers, therefor, are fully empowered to act in the moment, even if just a little bit of restraint would've proven those actions to be completely egregious."


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I guessing a lack of "it's a difficult job, we shouldn't judge' positions will be seen here, as we do in other cases where cops murdered an unarmed suspects of certain backgrounds...


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The video should have been shown, it would have added context to the situation. He clearly just wanted a reason to shoot this person.

"According to the police report, Brailsford was carrying an AR-15 rifle with the phrase “You’re F—ed” etched into the weapon. "

Wtf?


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I heard that the judge refused to let that fact be taken into consideration and told the jury they were only supposed to consider the case in the very moment before the shooting. They weren't allowed any context essentially.

I have no idea how the **** that makes any sense in a court of law. Disgusting.


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Our justice system needs a massive overhaul. It's a sick joke to even call it the "justice" system.


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His widow, eh?


So he was cheating on his wife? He was taking shots in his hotel room with a gal he just met earlier that night and was showing off his pellet guns in public view (which is why the police were called because it was reported to be a rifle).

What a strong punishment for showing off pellet guns and cheating on your wife.


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The guy reached behind his back earlier in the video and wasn't shot, just warned. If the cop was "just looking to kill someone" why didn't he shoot him right then?

Don't get me wrong I don't think he should have been shot at all but I'm not sure I buy the idea that this cop was just out looking for a reason to kill


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Jesus man. How was he found not guilty?


Because the U.S Court System isn't governed by Public Opinion?


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Should have been found guilty for sure, the justice system needs fixed!


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This is a pure example of another trigger happy "Call of Duty Cop".

"Feared for his life" my stuttering ass.

I hope this pig becomes an outcast in his town.

FYI, I love cops and their services, but this is a pig in the video.


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I'm not a lover of the Police, I think it takes a special kind of special to be a cop. This cop is even more special than that.


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Originally posted by juggerman
The guy reached behind his back earlier in the video and wasn't shot, just warned. If the cop was "just looking to kill someone" why didn't he shoot him right then?

Don't get me wrong I don't think he should have been shot at all but I'm not sure I buy the idea that this cop was just out looking for a reason to kill


IMO he was if you look at context. Okay first the thing he has on his gun("You're F*cked" etched into it), I dunno, that in itself means nothing, but it seems like some possible a trigger happy person would do. Then combine it with the video. The way he keeps screaming at the guy and saying he will shoot him if he messes up.

It just feels like he was purposely escalating the situation to get the guy to make some mistake. When you have guns pointed at you like that and shouting and the guy wasn't just giving warnings about firing he seemed more giddy about it...I don't know why they didn't tell him to lay face down and not move and then come pat him down. Determine if he has a weapon, then order him to get up and move.

"If you make a mistake, another mistake, there is a very severe possibility that you’re both going to get shot. Do you understand?” Sgt. Charles Langley yells before telling Shaver to “shut up.”

“I’m not here to be tactical and diplomatic with you. You listen. You obey,” the officer says."


This is not a normal police officer giving a suspect a warning about being fired upon. This goes beyond that.

I'm not saying he rolled up to this incident already planning this, but he seems like a textbook trigger happy psychopath. I know there can be adrenaline going in moments like this, but he just seems to enjoy scaring the guy to death and then takes advantage of a reason to fire.


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This is horrible

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You guys know he's no longer a cop, right?



Can anyone in this thread suggest an alternative to how this cop should have handled this situation? Be specific. Don't give general or vague answers. Be specific within the context of this situation.

No, this is not me trying to do a "gotcha" game. I won't debate anyone's answers. I just want to know some ideas on how this situation could have been handled better.


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