This new guy from hangouts is quite the find here. When you actually listen to Shapiro outside the knee jerk overreactions he's very reasonable and civil.
Indeed, the thread was worth it for this hilarious turn out.
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I'm glad to see Harry made an effort to read the article and in that respect, it only seems fair that I offer a response. I don't plan to cover everything, put will address some key aspects that I found particular egregious.
You'll have to forgive me Harry, but I wouldn't describe "You guys are so stupid... you can all go to hell, you pathetic, lying, stupid jackasses" as particularly classy, or driving home a point of any real value, aside from the fact that Antifa commies have left him triggered and mad. But if we are looking for evidence that Shapiro is a 'provocateur' the fact he sells "Leftist tears" mugs on his pretend news site is a better one. I'd struggle to describe this as 'classy' either.
The central thrust of Robinson's critique was missed here, namely that:I have not seen the Berkely speech, so I can't corroborate the claim here, butIn the contexts of racism, that seems to be a rather outright dismissal that it plays a role in holding people back. In which case Robison is correct, the evidence Shapiro cites provide flimsy support at best, heck even if we accepted every one of them at face value, it still wouldn't serve to eliminate racism, historical or otherwise, as a contributing factor, which it's entirely stupid of him to discount so categorically in the first place.
Actually, you can judge a lot about a person's character based on what comes out of their mouth. In which case do you have any evidence that suggests that Shapiro was only joking? His statement seemed entirely serious to me (and well in line with other bigoted crap he's espoused elsewhere on the subject), in which case, it speaks volumes about the kind of person he is.
Sounds to me like your appealing to an absence of evidence here, and trying to convince yourself more than anything.
I actually agree with you that Shapiro is not being racist here, but absolutely he is making gross generalisations about an entire population, that's what's claiming Palestine "the most evil population on the face of the planet" means. His motivations are also obvious, Palestine is by and large in opposition to the Jewish Israeli state, Shapiro is Jewish, and so he takes offense to this.
Now is religious bigotry any better than racism? Not really.
In terms of Shapiro's support for ethnic cleansing, I will concede that he no longer supports this, and thank God, as that's was the biggest pile of horseshit I'd read in a long time.
No, but in terms of shit that's actually relevant, he did describe Trump's recent decision to declare Jerusalem the Israeli capital as an act of 'political bravery' and 'moral courage.' Despite the fact that all it will cause is needless violence, division and suffering for Palestinians. Fancy that.
The article was penned four years after Treyvor Martin's death. Four years. to suggest that Ben Shapiro, a supposed journalist and 'intellectual', writing an researched commentary on the issue four years after the event, was entirely unaware of Zimmerman's behaviour (which had long since become public knowledge) beggars f*cking belief, and seriously stretches the frankly blind faith you appear to have in Shapiro's character.
He is either grossly misinformed, intentionally misconstruing the facts, or simply doesn't believe what Zimmerman has said and done is racist. Neither of which paint him in a remotely favourable light.
Ben Shapiro is a brilliant polemicist, and quick witted intellectual, I cannot imagine he would ever be guilty of poor rhetoric or presentation, and ever in need of your or anyone else's charity.
I admit, I did a double take here, because that is exactly what Shapiro does:Perhaps he's is just suffering from another bout of poor rhetoric and presentation here. But it very much seems to be that he is saying that bullying of transgender people has no impact on the rate at which they commit suicide. Which his own source disproves.
Naturally there are some points you missed here, like when Shapiro argued homosexuality was a mental illness, called for Al Gore to be arrested for sedition, and opposed a ban on using mobile phones while driving as taking away "freedom of choice", but I didn't respond to all your points either, so I'll let you off.
All in all despite your arguments, Shapiro remains a dumb bigot in my eyes, but at the very least, you managed to spare DMB from a crisis of faith.
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Well, Beni, I appreciate the effort. I will do my best to debunk your commentary.
Did I once say his verbiage was classy? No. I noted that one comment does not turn someone into a provocateur. To quote from original post,
I never claimed his language was respectable; I merely said it does not represent his body of work. The same applies to the Leftist Tears Mug.
In regards, to the first quote, you cited. Notice how the only part quoted is the "just not true." Shapiro has said that US policy is in some part responsible for poor blacks today. He just denies the notion that racism today is any real catalyst for black poverty. The evidence I laid out in my first point indeed indicates this to be true. The only thing at this point holding black men back in America is the minimum wage and low-quality schooling in the inner cities. Look at my first point for more evidence of this. Regardless, each of the counters to Ben given my Robinson was fallacious.
If I said the South, during the civil, war was the most evil group of people on the planet would that be considering a generalization? I am not saying Palestine is equivelent to slavers, but Shapiro views Palestine in that light. This is certainly not on the basis of religion considering his defense of moderate muslims.
I appreciate the concession.
Shapiro is an orthodox Jew and as a result he believes that Torah requires Jews homestead Isreal. You may question his religion, but at least recognize there is more to it then just religious intolerence.
Beni you are smarter then this. Let's look at each article cited inside of Robinson's essay and look at the publication dates.
Example 1: George Zimmerman bragging about the death of Trevon Martin:
180 days after Shapiro's article
Example 2: George Zimmerman kicked out of a bar for using the n-word:
279 days after Shapiro's article
Example 3: Zimmerman complaining about a dirty muslim on twitter:
65 days before Shapiro's article
Example 4: Zimmerman tweets that black slime don't matter:
64 days before Shapiro's article
Example 5: Called Obama an ignorant baboon:
130 days before Shapiro's article
Example 6: Sold Pictures of the flag
172 days before Shapiro's article
So, Shapiro should not have been so ignorant in his post, but this was not public knowledge for four years. My main gripe was not his attacking of Shapiro for his ignorance, but rather his assumption that Shapiro's ignorance necessitated racism.
Well, you certianly mixed up those quotes to make your posistion seems a lot more credible. You really are following the Principle of Charity. Let me post the two quotes in contention.
This first quote states that bullying does not contribute 36% to the suicide rate. He then claims there is some schollarly work that says bullying does not contribute to suicide. Which there is: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/debo..._b_4002897.html This article was written by Dr Temkin who is the Program Area Director of Education Research at Child Trends, a non-partisan, non-profit research organization in Bethesda, MD. From 2010 through 2012, Dr. Temkin led the federal initiative on bullying prevention at the U.S. Department of Education including leading the editorial board for StopBullying.gov There are more article you can find online. Shapiro may be perpetuating this notion, but he himself is not claiming gnosticism.
What he is saying here is that Transgendered surgery does not bring down suicide rates. Do you see how you completely misconstrued those quotes to your advantage.
Seeing the OP get owned was great, seeing the genocide thing shot down was great.
Why was it great? Certain smug people here need that reality check, and got it.
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I really like this new find. Hopefully he likes Star Wars as I plan to shove Snoke down people's throats very soon. I'll be active. Let's hope the forum moves like in old times.
Sheev is just a f*cking lame name. No wonder he turned evil.
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