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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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You're friends with Ant though.


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Old Post Dec 14th, 2017 02:29 AM
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Ant's basis for choosing political affiliation has nothing to do with anything that's remotely important, so I'll give him a pass. wink


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I tend to be libertarian with regards to social issues, center-left with regards to fiscal policy, and liberal with regards to foreign policy. I don't affiliate with any of my country's political parties, nor do I have a particular fondness for any active politicians.

I don't think I can relate well with anyone who would still vote for Trump a year into this trainwreck of a presidency.


Well, Sas, that is a pretty bold proclamation considering your close relations with both Skillz and Ant, but I digress. In regards to Trump, he is by no means the perfect president but in terms of policy, but he far outstrips Hillary. I'll start with the Executive Branch and detail his successes there. Perhaps Trump's greatest success is his slash of potential and current regulatory policy.

Trump slashed the regulation which increased the pool of workers eligible for overtime pay. I view this as a good thing as forcing an employer to give money to a worker is not only immoral but bad for business.

Trump has given oil companies the ability to make foreign deals with the encumberment of the US government. I support this as the actions of Exon Mobile abroad does not fall under the purview of the government.

Trump has made it possible for states to engineer their own welfare unemployment policy. I find this to be a welcome change. The federal government is far too large in scope and scale and top-down allocations of resources tend to be distributed in a clumsy manner. It is also worth noting the number of individuals who are on welfare programs has increased drastically despite the lack of change in poverty.

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Not to mention the amount of spending which is spent on unemployment benefits every year federally. In 2012, this number was about half a trillion.

Trump reversed a law that required special pay laws for women workers. I don't support this as it is not the government's job to dictate how private individuals spend their money.

There are many more of the 800 potential and current regulations Trump has slashed and such vigorousness is in stark contrast to previous presidents.

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I am a strong proponent of free trade and was incredibly discouraged with Trump's rhetoric on the subject during the campaign. Despite such ridiculous rhetoric, the only policy that has materialized has been his departure from the Trans-Pacific Partnership. I support this as I do not think it is the government job to mandate free trade between individuals. It dictates what shall be imported and how much shall be imported. It also mandates what type of transportation must be used throughout this process. There are many caveats which I dislike in the TPP. I do not support top-down controls on free market activity. In regards to tax legislation, Trump does not go far enough but at least he tries. His tax bill is extraordinarily lukewarm sans the corporate cuts. As far as foreign policy goes, Trump's behavior in Afghanistan and Yemen is akin to what Hillary did under Obama. This is not to say Trump is a good president he is far from it. But, when I vote for a president I do it under the pretense that he/she will be better than the opposition. Trump's mediocre presidency surpasses Clinton's disastrous one.

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Well, Sas, that is a pretty bold proclamation considering your close relations with both Skillz and Ant, but I digress.


Being unable to relate with someone politically is not equivalent to being unable to otherwise have a positive relationship with them, but I digress.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: On the topic of relationships, you and I don't have one. Why are you calling me that? ****ing weirdo.

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I'll start with the Executive Branch and detail his successes there. Perhaps Trump's greatest success is his slash of potential and current regulatory policy.

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Look, I get that you want to try to defend yourself after reading my post--which was admittedly more provocative than I had intended--but I really wasn't asking for a crash course on why you like Trump, pal.

I'd rather not drag this out, so I'll just get to the point: I don't find your general sentiment that "vigorously slashing regulations is an inherently good thing" particularly moving, even if I do agree with a handful of the things you said. Regardless, I'm not really interested in condemning you for wanting to vote against a shitty candidate like Hillary either; I spoke somewhat thoughtlessly before. You can disregard it, if you'd like.


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What a dick


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[B]Being unable to relate with someone politically is not equivalent to being unable to otherwise have a positive relationship with them, but I digress.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: On the topic of relationships, you and I don't have one. Why are you calling me that? ****ing weirdo.


I may have misconstrued what you meant. I thought this quote, "I don't think I can relate well with anyone who would still vote for Trump a year into this trainwreck of a presidency", meant that you can't forge a relationship with someone who would support Trump.(You have been talking political my bad.) And LOL to the Sas thing I have just heard you referred to by that name so many times, I just naturally typed it.

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I'd rather not drag this out, so I'll just get to the point: I don't find your general sentiment that "vigorously slashing regulations is an inherently good thing" particularly moving, even if I do agree with a handful of the things you said. Regardless, I'm not really interested in condemning you for wanting to vote against a shitty candidate like Hillary either; I spoke somewhat thoughtlessly before. You can disregard it, if you'd like.


Yea my post went on far longer than expected. That's on me. Anyway, this was way more serious then it should have been.

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My views go all over the place but I'm generally to the left side of things. I don't see the point in taking one ideology as I believe every situation is different and must be approached in its own way. Blanket beliefs are stupid imo and get people nowhere. I vote for Labour (I'm in the UK) because I despise the Tories and Labour are the only party capable of beating them. I'm not on Labour's side on every issue, far from it, but with the absence of a decent Conservative party to consider, Labour is the only choice for me.


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My views go all over the place but I'm generally to the left side of things. I don't see the point in taking one ideology as I believe every situation is different and must be approached in its own way. Blanket beliefs are stupid imo and get people nowhere. I vote for Labour (I'm in the UK) because I despise the Tories and Labour are the only party capable of beating them. I'm not on Labour's side on every issue, far from it, but with the absence of a decent Conservative party to consider, Labour is the only choice for me.
Like Scribble I vote Labour, I am a lifelong Labour voter despite the progressive leanings of the party in the last 25 years, I am a glad Nu Labour has gone and I look forward to a return to the issues that matter and are defined by a trade union-backed Socialist workers party. Jobs, pay, workers rights and the welfare state. Whilst I don't live in the UK anymore and probably never will. The future matters to me.


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Can we leave the sh!tposting/bashing out of this thread please? Do it somewhere else.


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I find myself agreeing most frequently with the rationalists (e.g. Eliezer, Scott Alexander, etc.) and technocrats. Among more mainstream commentators I most closely align with Sam Harris.


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I find myself agreeing most frequently with the rationalists (e.g. Eliezer, Scott Alexander, etc.) and technocrats. Among more mainstream commentators I most closely align with Sam Harris.
Are you familiar with Stephen Molyneux?


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Are you familiar with Stephen Molyneux?


Yes although I disagree with ~80% of his positions.


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Yes although I disagree with ~80% of his positions.
I was a fan a couple years ago, but after taking statistics I became more aware of how he manipulated data for his benefit.


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I was a fan a couple years ago, but after taking statistics I became more aware of how he manipulated data for his benefit.


I don't think everything that he says is wrong but he will just occasionally say make really dumb and cringey arguments and then pontificate with a long rant where he pretends that he's a master philosiphizer.

Ex: someone called in asking about common AI safety concerns and Stefan just started ranting about how the free market would solve the issue because corporations wouldn't want to make unsafe AI or they'd lose business. ???


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Voted for Trump. Leaning center-right, mostly.


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Yes although I disagree with ~80% of his positions.



lol

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Voted for Trump. Leaning center-right, mostly.


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Which is why we are so similar, politically.


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Generally try to be centrist, but I do lean somewhat to the left.


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