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Dormammu Mega Stomps.

Superman has no magic nor time manipulation to help him bargain.

Superman gets demolished.

There are 3 Supermen here. I hope you noticed the OP.

Well, Reeve's Superman can manipulate time and matter. Not too shabby tbh.

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Indeed. But most Supermen have a weakness to magic, so I can see an argument for magic having an effect on Reeves Superman. On the other hand, he has never been shown having a magic weakness, and each Superman is really a different character, so assigning him a weakness he has never shown seems unfair.

Good points thumb up

My rationale for this team's power is that Reeve's Supes can manipualte time and matter, Smallville Supes can move a planet with ease, JL Supes is all-around vastly more poweful than the Avengers.

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There are 3 Supermen here. I hope you noticed the OP.

Well, Reeve's Superman can manipulate time and matter. Not too shabby tbh.


I have. Yet none can defeat Dormammu.

Dormammu is far beyond anything those superman have faced.

I don't see a way for Superman to even harm Dormammu.


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He won't survive Dormammu.


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So, do we just automatically grant Dormammu massive durability? Cuz Smallville Clark is hilariously faster with potent heat vision.

If a character is supposed to be powerful, but has shitty feats? The solution is do not use them lol.


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So, do we just automatically grant Dormammu massive durability? Cuz Smallville Clark is hilariously faster with potent heat vision.

If a character is supposed to be powerful, but has shitty feats? The solution is do not use them lol.


Yeah.

Speed means nothing against Magic and Reality Warping.

Once the World is under Dormammu's control he can do anything he wishes.

Thats why Strange "Bargain" Dormammu.

There was no way to defeat Dormammu. A trap was the only way to make Dormammu fall back.

Superman has no way to defeat Dormammu.


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Yeah.

Speed means nothing against Magic and Reality Warping.

Once the World is under Dormammu's control he can do anything he wishes.

Thats why Strange "Bargain" Dormammu.

There was no way to defeat Dormammu. A trap was the only way to make Dormammu fall back.

Superman has no way to defeat Dormammu.


See this is the problem we kinda run into. What on screen feat did this character display to suggest it could survive, for example, this:



It takes an insane amount of energy to vaporize that much water all in an instant, fyi. And that is from like season 7 lol, the show lasted 10 seasons and his power continually crept up. So by the end he is even more powerful than you see in that clip.


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See this is the problem we kinda run into. What on screen feat did this character display to suggest it could survive, for example, this:



It takes an insane amount of energy to vaporize that much water all in an instant, fyi. And that is from like season 7 lol, the show lasted 10 seasons and his power continually crept up. So by the end he is even more powerful than you see in that clip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKAfwBPvsMA

Watch the video.

Tell me, do you watch a physical body? Do you watch hands, feet, anything made of flesh....maybe matter?

I watch a floating head that appears from nowhere in mid space!

What makes you think that it can be hurt? What makes you think it can even be touched?

It's evident that Dormammu isn't a physical being! He swallows worlds within his magic.

Once Superman's reality is under Dormammu's control there is nothing Superman can do.

Isn't like laser beams can even touch Dormammu for he isn't organic. Atleast he doesn't seem to be


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The stupidity of that scene was so ****ing retarded.

Dormamu knew what was happening, for all of his powers, why not just trap Strange in a bubble for all of eternity, and let him watch the Earth be destroy?

Anyway, in that scene, Dormammu showed nothing the Three Kal’s Couldn’t casually dodge. Strange with human reflexes was casually Dormammu’s magic.

The only Kal that dies is Moustache Kal, since he doesn’t have anyway to put him down. But it won’t be an easy fight for Dormammu. By the time that Kal is dead, Dormammu would wish he never attacked Earth.

Reeves Superman uses his pre-Crisis powers to casually kill Dormammu, and before anyone claims false, needs to remember this the same Superman that can time travel, and posses Wall building vision.

SmallVille Clark makes it just as easy. Hell, he makes it easier. That Clark can’t be touch by Dormammu due to his speed. His casually strength is planet level. He casually pushed Apokolips from Earth with no strain from him.

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Reeve's Superman has on-demand powers, so he creates an anti-Dormammu wrap and that about wraps (get it?) it up. /thread

I stopped watching Smallville after a few seasons, but from what I understand he could fart and win here.


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The stupidity of that scene was so ****ing retarded.

Dormamu knew what was happening, for all of his powers, why not just trap Strange in a bubble for all of eternity, and let him watch the Earth be destroy?

Anyway, in that scene, Dormammu showed nothing the Three Kal’s Couldn’t casually dodge. Strange with human reflexes was casually Dormammu’s magic.

The only Kal that dies is Moustache Kal, since he doesn’t have anyway to put him down. But it won’t be an easy fight for Dormammu. By the time that Kal is dead, Dormammu would wish he never attacked Earth.

Reeves Superman uses his pre-Crisis powers to casually kill Dormammu, and before anyone claims false, needs to remember this the same Superman that can time travel, and posses Wall building vision.

SmallVille Clark makes it just as easy. Hell, he makes it easier. That Clark can’t be touch by Dormammu due to his speed. His casually strength is planet level. He casually pushed Apokolips from Earth with no strain from him.


Do you know what a time loop is?

Dormammu would be force to live that moment of time for eternity. He was forced to bargain.

No. None of them would be able to survive.

Can the Superman dodge forever Dormammu's attacks? Are the Superman's faster than the speed of light? Cause Dormammu's beams travel at the speed of light.

Dormammu wins.

Supermans are at a real disadvantage here.


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Reeve's Superman is definitely faster than the speed of light.


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Reeve's Superman is definitely faster than the speed of light.
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Reeve's Superman is definitely faster than the speed of light.


In that case it's a matter of how much can Reeve's superman run before Dormammu either Spikes him or Vaporizes him.


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Do you know what a time loop is?

Dormammu would be force to live that moment of time for eternity. He was forced to bargain.

No. None of them would be able to survive.

Can the Superman dodge forever Dormammu's attacks? Are the Superman's faster than the speed of light? Cause Dormammu's beams travel at the speed of light.

Dormammu wins.

Supermans are at a real disadvantage here.


You’re fanboyism blinds you.

1. The time loop only exist once Strange dies. As shown multiple times, that the loop happened after Dormammu killed Strange. If Dormammu had just looked at Strange, the time loop wouldn’t have activated. For Dormammu mighty all powers, he wasn’t smart enough to just trap Strange an a bubble for all eternity.

2. Makes no sense.

3. Saying Dormammu’s shitty blast were light speed! laughing prove it? Strange was dodging them. Either A. Strange had light speed reflexes, or B. They weren’t light speed. Better yet, let’s go with C. Prove they were light speed? You can’t.
Strange who had mere human reflexes was dodging said beams. All three Kal’s speed feats shits on Strange. Especially SmallVille and Reeves Kal’s who were legit lighspeedsters.


So get the **** out of here with you’re bullshit.

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You’re fanboyism blinds you.

1. The time loop only exist once Strange dies. As shown multiple times, that the loop happened after Dormammu killed Strange. If Dormammu had just looked at Strange, the time loop wouldn’t have activated. For Dormammu mighty all powers, he wasn’t smart enough to just trap Strange an a bubble for all eternity.

2. Makes no sense.

3. Saying Dormammu’s shitty blast were light speed! laughing prove it? Strange was dodging them. Either A. Strange had light speed reflexes, or B. They weren’t light speed. Better yet, let’s go with C. Prove they were light speed? You can’t.
Strange who had mere human reflexes was dodging said beams. All three Kal’s speed feats shits on Strange. Especially SmallVille and Reeves Kal’s who were legit lighspeedsters.


So get the **** out of here with you’re bullshit.


Am not even a fan of Dormammu. Yet supporting Superman here is..... unreasonable.

1. Negative. Even if Dormammu decides to step away and leave Strange alone. Strange can still manipulate time and force him into the loop.

The problem with Superman is that he can't give himself the luxury of dying.

Once Superman dies, that's it.

2. You didn't got it.

3. Science. Any form of energy travels at the speed of light. Energy beams, lasers, electricity, radiation, etc.

Strange didn't dodge the Laser. He tried to cover himself with his shields. Which by the way, got vaporized along with Strange.

They can't run forever.


Sorry if your favorite Superhero can't always win. It's the reality of life. Let it sink in.


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Dc fanboys are showing up. Dormammu solos the entire dceu with any Superman who wants to show up to help.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKAfwBPvsMA

Watch the video.

Tell me, do you watch a physical body? Do you watch hands, feet, anything made of flesh....maybe matter?

I watch a floating head that appears from nowhere in mid space!

What makes you think that it can be hurt? What makes you think it can even be touched?

It's evident that Dormammu isn't a physical being! He swallows worlds within his magic.

Once Superman's reality is under Dormammu's control there is nothing Superman can do.

Isn't like laser beams can even touch Dormammu for he isn't organic. Atleast he doesn't seem to be


I have seen the movie more than once. Nothing you posted suggested it could somehow avoid destruction at the hands of such a powerful attack.

And okay...about the energy blasts, they aren't lightspeed. And do not "but science" me about a magical other dimensional being. I get what you are saying, but these blasts aren't lightspeed.


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Also Strange doesn't dodge the laser because he uses shields instead. You can clearly see he reacts after the laser has been fired to block it.

And even if you wanted to be generous and say these beams are lightspeed, Dormammu himself is not. Smallville Clark is capable of reacting far quicker. Dodging the attack is not a priority because there won't be time to use the attack, thus there will be nothing to dodge.


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There won't be anything to dodge when Dormammu lies in the floor, splattered all over the place. Maybe pieces of him still floating.


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I have seen the movie more than once. Nothing you posted suggested it could somehow avoid destruction at the hands of such a powerful attack.

And okay...about the energy blasts, they aren't lightspeed. And do not "but science" me about a magical other dimensional being. I get what you are saying, but these blasts aren't lightspeed.


Watch the movie again and maybe some comics about Dormammu.

Dormammu isn't like Galactus that has a physical manifestation. Dormammu is a magical being, reason why he is a direct enemy to Dr. Strange.

Unless Superman knows magic (Which he doesn't). There is nothing he can do.

Again, it isn't an organic body. It's more of a magical manifestation.

Based on what do you claim those beams < speed of light?


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Also Strange doesn't dodge the laser because he uses shields instead. You can clearly see he reacts after the laser has been fired to block it.

And even if you wanted to be generous and say these beams are lightspeed, Dormammu himself is not. Smallville Clark is capable of reacting far quicker. Dodging the attack is not a priority because there won't be time to use the attack, thus there will be nothing to dodge.



You can clearly see that Strange had already summon the shields. Also Dormammu had to open his mouth to shoot the lasers. Giving Strange a fraction of time to cover himself.

Dormammu has control over the reality where Superman is. There is nowhere Superman can hide nor can he run forever.

Superman loses due to being a disadvantage.


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