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*spoilers* do you like Disney's answer to Rey's parents?
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JediRobin23
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And don’t forget it all depends on a certain point of view....smile

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Lord Lucien
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Right? I don't see why people feel this is suddenly some new and special thing.

Though I find the explanation for her power growing to be a little dry and unimaginative.
If Force users could be anyone, then that means there's nothing inherently special about that person to merit the gift of Force use. And there's nothing an insecure audience member hates more than being subversively told their fantasy stand-in (the Jedi/Sith characters) aren't inherently special. Because that means they couldn't be either.


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I take no issues with Rey being a nobody. The only thing is that TFA really doesn't build it up to be that way. Not that it's a huge deal I guess, because it isn't, but the movie does build her up to be someone.

(Maz has lived long enough to see the same eyes in many people, she knows Rey's eyes....the lightsaber was first Anakin's, then Lukes....and now it calls to you." During the force vision scene after the Knights of Ren are standing in the rain over the dead bodies we see Rey presumably being abandoned on Jakku...) It feels like there's all some huge connection.

It could be that I'm just seeing what I want to see, but after TLJ, which I did in fact love, it feels like so many things from TFA were all for nothing.


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I agree with that. There doesn't seem to be any kind of show runner here. Like Rian jutted changed the things he didn't like some things JJ set up so clearly to be fulfilled.

But maybe 'subverting' expectations is the new Disney policy. And that is also why movies are not going to win from tv series. TV series can't do that, it'll get stale quickly. They actually have to work from story and characters.

Let's see how JJ is going to 'adjust' Rian's work now.


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It could be that I'm just seeing what I want to see, but after TLJ, which I did in fact love, it feels like so many things from TFA were all for nothing.
I'm in favour of that. As enjoyable as TFA was, it still felt like it was just going to be one of those "Hero becomes who they who were meant to be" destiny stories. I've seen those, don't want another. At least in this franchise.


I don't mind the set-up that it's going to be a special person learning how special they are by dint of birth... and the rug gets pulled and they learn the bleak truth that they're a nobody... who still becomes someone special. Set-up, fall down, get back up anyway. Cool beans.


The actual reason-- that Abrams' script was essentially a standalone work in a planned trilogy, leaving Johnson to write his own follow-up sans an ultimate goal-- notwithstanding.


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A bit like the OT.

Except Empire is a masterpiece.


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Lord Lucien
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Anyone else finding the overwhelming antipathy toward Luke's fleeting moment of temptation about Ben to be just a smidge... stupid? Like... people seem to REALLY need Luke to be utterly and irrevocably just and pure post-RotJ. Like that one instance of resistance with the Emperor means he'll never ever ever ever have another moment of doubt or weakness again... somehow? No matter how brief it was, he needs to be f*cking perfect?



And here I was thinking people didn't want a Mary Sue.


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^ Not only did I or have an issue with that, I actually preferred Kylo’s version of the Story. Because that would have explained Luke’s exile. Running from the guilt of what he did and what he created.

But didn’t like the actual explanation for his exile. Shouldn’t take him so many years to reach the realisation that Kylo needs to be stopped and the Jedi are always needed.

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JediRobin23
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Remember watching anh, then learning about the force, the esb introduces new stuff, then if Luke was actually a Jedi at the beginning of Rotj. Thinking that becoming a Jedi was the ultimate thing.....

Luke didn’t become a Jedi until he confronted and saved his father.....

Then, we forgot about that.....

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JediRobin23
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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Anyone else finding the overwhelming antipathy toward Luke's fleeting moment of temptation about Ben to be just a smidge... stupid? Like... people seem to REALLY need Luke to be utterly and irrevocably just and pure post-RotJ. Like that one instance of resistance with the Emperor means he'll never ever ever ever have another moment of doubt or weakness again... somehow? No matter how brief it was, he needs to be f*cking perfect?



And here I was thinking people didn't want a Mary Sue.


Where’s that other cliche... nothing new can top the OT.........
There is nothing new in ep 8 except the hologram projection.....
The story?.....what new story........

I hope they slow down the action in a ‘solo’ movie. So sick of fighters battling....

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