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He has still to reveal his actual agenda (which is probably, "We need to increase corporate taxes" or something).

Holy shit! LOL you don't know him at all then


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Holy shit! LOL you don't know him at all then


So then what's his point with the factually incorrect statement that the effective corporate tax rate is "absurdly low"?


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He never said "Absurdly low" you're pulling words out of your ass and repeatedly putting them in quotations.


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So you're upset that you were wrong, then you backpeddled and said "duh US Treasury, den!" Then I showed you were wrong, there, too, and now you're like, "another study which is contradicted by others!" to support your flimsy position.

You said, "quick google search" but you're summarily dismissing pretty much all relevant studies.


Fact is, Effective Corporate Tax Rate in the US is nowhere near "absurdly low" relative to other Western Countries. You were full of shit. You were just buying into some anti-US or anti-Corporate bullshit. You've been caught saying some stupid shit.


From your own study, "... 21 percent effective rate based on actual taxes and taxable income..." as opposed to a specific cross section, which you're citing, " profitable Schedule M-3 filers actually paid U.S. federal income taxes amounting to 12.6 percent of the worldwide income that they reported in their financial statements (for those entities included in their tax returns).

I'll give you a hint: income is not how taxes are calculated.


I will summarize what happened:

1. You just tried to lie.
2. You do not understand what you're citing.

I don't think it is 1. I think you just don't know what you're talking about as I hinted at in my very first reply to you.


When, I mentioned the treasury I was specifically referring to "treasury data," as shown in the chart. In fact, in my initial response, I posted to the chart to clarify my source. Except, my logic for dismissing the studies is by their usage of GDP rather than the actual IRS/Treasury data. Let's take a look at the study which I cited because you seem to not understand the results. You are right in that I should have clarified the purpose of the GAO study. But, before I do that I want to call out this hilarity. So, your evidence that the GAO study contradicts my statement is their statement that the corporate tax rate is,
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21 percent effective rate based on actual taxes and taxable inco
. That was not a statement found in their own research they were citing another study, note the citation. Unsurprisingly, that study uses GDP. The reason why I cited the GAO is that it demonstrates that IRS numbers show a far lower eft then GDP does. Their figures are based on the IRS which they note, "on the whole, lower than the tax liabilities reported in the corporate financial statements."

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He never said "Absurdly low" you're pulling words out of your ass and repeatedly putting them in quotations.


Eh, I did say absurdly low. Which it is if you look at IRS data. But, I do not think that is a good argument against the corporate tax rate due to compliance costs and false investments.

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Eh, I did say absurdly low. Which it is if you look at IRS data. But, I do not think that is a good argument against the corporate tax rate due to compliance costs and false investments.

Really? I did the find shit over the pages and couldn’t find the phrase in any of your posts, maybe that function was glitching, it sometimes does that.

Apologies dadudemon for that last statement.


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Really? I did the find shit over the pages and couldn’t find the phrase in any of your posts, maybe that function was glitching, it sometimes does that.

Apologies dadudemon for that last statement.



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He never said "Absurdly low" you're pulling words out of your ass and repeatedly putting them in quotations.


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Not to mention, we already have an incredibly low effective corporate tax rate.



He didn't. He specifically said, "incredibly low."


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That was not a statement found in their own research they were citing another study...




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Don't dodge. Don't avoid the topic.


Why does that 21% look familiar? Do you remember?


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I see DDM's being unnaturally patient with the clear backpedalings and general tomfoolery, when a simple "okay, my bad, I misspoke" would end the nonsense.


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He didn't. He specifically said, "incredibly low."

I mean, that phrase strikes a notable difference to me.

"Incredibly low" seems to only imply a low rate relative to other rates, whereas "absurdly low" seems to imply the same thing but with the additional qualifier that having it that low is a mistake.

DarthSkywalker0 hates all taxes, so he clearly doesn't have some agenda to want the corporate tax raised.


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I mean, that phrase strikes a notable difference to me.

"Incredibly low" seems to only imply a low rate relative to other rates, whereas "absurdly low" seems to imply the same thing but with the additional qualifier that having it that low is a mistake.


He clarified: he's not interested in a word game and he thought they were the same enough to say he said it. I was clearly mocking him.

You bored, braaaah?

Maybe I expected you to say, "Why did you quote him correctly for pages but change it all of a sudden? You mocking him?" Yes, yes I clearly am mocking him just the same as he was mocking me for "not understanding economics at all like a moron." Notice how that's in quotes but it is not what he said, either?


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DarthSkywalker0 hates all taxes, so he clearly doesn't have some agenda to want the corporate tax raised.


So he's interest in this topic is the unfairness and not the tax rate, itself, right?


In that case...how does a government do government things. He never said he was an anarchist.


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He has still to reveal his actual agenda (which is probably, "We need to increase corporate taxes" or something).


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I legit lol'd.


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So he's interest in this topic is the unfairness and not the tax rate, itself, right?

I think his interest is honestly representing what the tax rate is relative to other countries.

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In that case...how does a government do government things. He never said he was an anarchist.

He's AnCap


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Don't dodge. Don't avoid the topic.


Why does that 21% look familiar? Do you remember?


My point is that number is inaccurate as it relies on GDP rather then actual Tax Returns.

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Feds Collect Record Taxes in First Month Under Tax Cut; Run Surplus in January

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